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swordandshield
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| DreamSword wrote: | | Dimentionalist wrote: | | DreamSword wrote: | | Base-Master-Arcane system. |
Going to have to disagree with you on that one. It's been in the vast majority of the Tales games |
Say what? BMA, excluding the Radiant titles, has only been in three games. Symphonia, Innocence, and Destiny 2(technically). Most games tend to use only Base-Arcane. |
What is BMA, like what does it do in the game? I'm clueless when it comes to this kinda stuff. |
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Radge
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Radge wrote: | Not exactly an element but a fun way of characterization an interaction,
I'd like a future Tales where the Synopsis entries are written by each party member from time to time. It gives a lot of personality rather than just having a summary of the current situation and what we need to do next.
Legendia's unique ideas are pretty fun.
JiCi You do know that the Tales fanbase is largely compromised of females (pointing out te fujoshis even) right? Even then, with ToX, the female members of the development team had a large say in Milla's development. And this carries on to ToX2, noting the Kresnik brothers.
I'm not saying they are bad, but, I think you guys can see my point... |
Sorry, but I'm not getting my idea and wall I text getting paged.
swordandshield, it's the Base Arte - Master Arte - Arcane Are tier chaining
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I remember Hearts doing the shared diary thing as Synopsis, it was hilarious XD
| Radge wrote: | JiCi You do know that the Tales fanbase is largely compromised of females (pointing out te fujoshis even) right? Even then, with ToX, the female members of the development team had a large say in Milla's development. And this carries on to ToX2, noting the Kresnik brothers.
I'm not saying they are bad, but, I think you guys can see my point... |
That doesn't change the fact that the series still lacks a proper female main character. Milla is a step forward, but it's telling that she can't be a heroine in her own right without sharing the role with a boy. Hopefully that will change in the future.
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Ruin
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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if there's ever a true female main chances are she will be really androgynous and gruff
just to trick the fujoshis into thinking she's a boy
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Radge
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm up for a proper female protagonist myself. Would really be a nice change of pace as well.
But goddamn, we won't get it until Baba says to the female development team "NO!"
A Makoto (idolmaster) female lead? LOL
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Colour
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Uhh what makes you think the female staff is against a female protagonist? I mean some of them have ****** ideas, i.e. MILLA'S NOT A REAL WOMAN UNLESS SHE'S IN LOVE but that doesn't mean they don't want one? They seem pretty supportive of Milla. Baba himself seems to think the series is not ready for one and didn't even allude to the female staff when making that statement.
And it's not just fujoshi that are against it. Baba even said that Milla was there for the female fans. There's this sexist mentality in the Japanese gaming industry (and gaming industry in general) that female leads are inadequate and there's tons of dudes who'd rather have the main girl as a moeblob sidekick to ogle and recuse.
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Radge
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I was just thinking of what they did to Milla and their influence over the Kresnik brothers. I had no idea that they wre supportive of Milla, and in that case, that's awesome. But their ideas are... Yeah.
If Baba says so, then we can't change a thing. But I am fully supportive of a female protagonist. But, if Square Enix can do it (in arguable manner) with Lightning, and originally Terra, why can't the Tales series as JiCi said.
It may be a matter of time hen, but I think the Tales series is ready for a full female protagonist now. Milla was positively received, so, come on! Screw moe blobs, that only works for children animu characters in my book.
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DreamSword
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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People talking about how there should be a female-only protagonist.
In a topic about Tales elements that should be brought back.
Alright then. |
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Radge
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Um the female protagonist element is unique to Xillia.
Dice is asking what Unique Tales element that were used in a previous game should be brought back.
Not reading first post. Ok then Nick
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| Colour wrote: |
And it's not just fujoshi that are against it. Baba even said that Milla was there for the female fans. |
Sure, a minority.
When you have Leon and other pretty boy characters topping the polls and realize the females at tales fes massively outnumber the boys, its pretty clear what a large portion of female fans are looking for. Add to that that boys will always be cool as playing as their own gender but you do occasionally see men go "wow can't play as a girl" and its hard not to see why they don't Ty female protagonists more often.
I also don't buy Milla being there for the females. She's a great character, but her design is pretty sexualized, and she even has that fanservice bad touch scene with Presa early on. A character who I would say is a female protagonist to really show females are just as strong as males, can we just as well, and not pro actively trying to garner male attention based on her design would be Estelle Bright, not so much half dressed bad touch scene big boobed Milla. A male character would never get a bad touch scene like that.
If anything, I see Milla designed with horny guys in mind, while someone like ToDr Leon or Richard designed with the designers going "our female fans will love this!"
A truly strong female character in Tales would be, like Kohak before Namco started making all those dumb butt jokes. She's wearing perfectly normal clothes in terms of coverage(if showing off her legs a bit), and is a badass martial artist while her brother of all things is the healer who stays in the back. That's neato. Farah is another example.
Milla really isn't. She's far more largely designed to be eye candy for guys and still ends up losing her lead position to the male towards the end of the game. I think Milla's a great character, but she's by no means the most progressive heroine the series has had just because she happens to get a side from her perspective. |
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Radge
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Accelerator wrote: |
I also don't buy Milla being there for the females. She's a great character, but her design is pretty sexualized, and she even has that fanservice bad touch scene with Presa early on. A character who I would say is a female protagonist to really show females are just as strong as males, can we just as well, and not pro actively trying to garner male attention based on her design would be Estelle Bright |
You're cool.
And yeah, playing as Estelle was/is a great experience that doesn't even change your perspective.
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| Radge wrote: | Um the female protagonist element is unique to Xillia.
Dice is asking what Unique Tales element that were used in a previous game should be brought back.
Not reading first post. Ok then Nick |
The point I'm making is that some, including the guy who brought it up, are asking for a female-only protagonist, as is no choice in the matter. Which, as far as I'm aware, has not happened in the series yet. Thus not an element that has happened before.
I'm not saying a female-only main hero for a Tales game wouldn't be cool, but it doesn't count as an element to be "brought back" to the series if it hasn't even happened.
That said, I don't see why some don't count Milla as a main character when she apparently has alot more to do with the plot than Jude.
That's all I'm saying. |
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Ryuuka of the 7th Flame
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I'd like to see some more focus on Vesperia's hit zone mechanic.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| How about the world map? I was kinda disappointed they ditched it in Graces. |
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JiCi
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| Radge wrote: | | JiCi You do know that the Tales fanbase is largely compromised of females (pointing out te fujoshis even) right? Even then, with ToX, the female members of the development team had a large say in Milla's development. And this carries on to ToX2, noting the Kresnik brothers. |
Nope... I wasn't aware of that. You just taught me something new here.
| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | That doesn't change the fact that the series still lacks a proper female main character. Milla is a step forward, but it's telling that she can't be a heroine in her own right without sharing the role with a boy. Hopefully that will change in the future. |
That's exactly my point. Milla isn't a bad character... but to have her share the main spot with Jude almost sounds discriminating. It's like they were testing gamers to see if they would choose a boy or a girl as their character. (I personally gonna choose Jude first, because I plan to make my Milla playthrough with Grade options since I'm not that good with spellcasters... but it's not because Milla is a girl that I'm not choosing her first)
Speaking of ToX, here's a question to all who have already played the game:
IF MILLA WAS THE ONLY PROTAGONIST TO CHOOSE FROM IN TALES OF XILLIA, WOULD YOUR GAME EXPERIENCE BE:
1) better than ToX?
2) just as good as ToX?
3) worse than ToX?
| Ruin wrote: | | if there's ever a true female main chances are she will be really androgynous and gruff |
*sees Terra from FF6*
You were saying?
Also... when did Tales ever made a female "really androgynous and gruff"?
| Colour wrote: | | And it's not just fujoshi that are against it. Baba even said that Milla was there for the female fans. There's this sexist mentality in the Japanese gaming industry (and gaming industry in general) that female leads are inadequate and there's tons of dudes who'd rather have the main girl as a moeblob sidekick to ogle and recuse. |
You have a point there. However, I can quote a few other JRPGs that have female leads that aren't what you described, such as the Atelier series.
| Accelerator wrote: | | A character who I would say is a female protagonist to really show females are just as strong as males, can we just as well, and not pro actively trying to garner male attention based on her design would be Estelle Bright |
Quoting this because you have a great point.
| DreamSword wrote: | The point I'm making is that some, including the guy who brought it up, are asking for a female-only protagonist, as is no choice in the matter. Which, as far as I'm aware, has not happened in the series yet. Thus not an element that has happened before.
I'm not saying a female-only main hero for a Tales game wouldn't be cool, but it doesn't count as an element to be "brought back" to the series if it hasn't even happened.
That said, I don't see why some don't count Milla as a main character when she apparently has alot more to do with the plot than Jude.
That's all I'm saying. |
I did bend the rules a bit, but I was referring to Milla being the first female protagonist in the main Tales series, thus an "element" to be seen again, except this time, as your only option instead of a choice.
Element: "A female protagonist"
If I may put it this way 
Then again... I'd LMFAO if they do the 2 protagonists selection again, but have 2 women to choose from now XD
A princess trained in diplomacy, fencing and healing or a female thief trained in connections, stealth and tricks, have fun 
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