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Divinus Fulmen
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 Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:33 am Post subject: No talk about Youtube finalizing the death of free speech? |
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YouTube has now made it mandatory to use your real name when posting videos and leaving comments.
Logically, this will mean that YouTube bans will be permeate. Tracking down someone you don't like will be easy. Google is slowly moving into Checkmate to kill a free internet. This is also a push for Google+, which no one uses because it sucks.
I want you to try and do something on YouTube right now: Go on any video, and try to find report comment without looking it up. Don't read below until you have.
Did you find it? If you did, then gratz to you for your sloothing. Most likely, your efforts were in vain. This is because the feature to report comments is hidden, buried at the very bottom of the page on the left side disguised under the name "Safety". If you clicked it, I hope you opened it in a new tab/window because it will wait to the end to ask for the URL of the comment. More of that here (Yes, it's a comedy site giving practical information)
On a different note: If Google wanted to stop YouTube for being used for piracy, they could just use their current anti-piracy algorithms to tell them what the content is (as it currently does) and pay for the use of that content with ad revenue. Google gets their ad revenue, the artist get theirs. Everyone wins. It'd be like if a guy selling bootleg tapes gave the publisher the money wile the bootlegger got nothing but exposer for having the popular videos.
It wouldn't be piracy to post copyrighted content, because all the revenue isn't going to the poster; it's going to the owner of the IP and part to Google for hosting the content.
Know what else this would fix? People reposting someone else vid, because the own, not the poster would get paid as if it was their channel.
Yes, Google would have to sit down in court and write up contracts with major companies, but everyone wins in the end.
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Taiyz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Bans are kind of meant to be permanent. That's the entire point.
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Divinus Fulmen
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| Taiyz wrote: | | Bans are kind of meant to be permanent. That's the entire point. |
Taiyz supports the death penalty! You heard it here first folks!
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Drake
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:21 am Post subject: Re: No talk about Youtube finalizing the death of free speec |
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| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | YouTube has now made it mandatory to use your real name when posting videos and leaving comments. |
No it hasn't. It just really wants you to. I've been bothered like once for it and took the ounce of energy to click on "One name" and "Because personal". Yeah it's really annoying and I currently don't understand why they even want it, but it isn't mandatory. If they made it mandatory they would probably lose a huge, huge portion of the userbase, and they would also see a giant surge in new random Google accounts. It would be impossible to manage.
| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | Logically, this will mean that YouTube bans will be permanent. |
No kidding. You mean like the bans that weren't permanent before.
Even if they were connected to your google account you would probably just need to make a new email and account, no problem.
| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | Google is slowly moving into Checkmate to kill a free internet |
yeah no
| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | This is because the feature to report comments is hidden, buried at the very bottom of the page on the left side disguised under the name "Safety". If you clicked it, I hope you opened it in a new tab/window because it will wait to the end to ask for the URL of the comment. |
Except you still can't report a comment unless it's a serious offense of law/guidelines against you personally. This is done for pretty obvious reasons, even if it sucks that some commenters make it their life's mission to constantly just talk **** everywhere they go.
| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | On a different note: If Google wanted to stop YouTube for being used for piracy, they could just use their current anti-piracy algorithms to tell them what the content is (as it currently does) and pay for the use of that content with ad revenue. Google gets their ad revenue, the artist get theirs. Everyone wins. It'd be like if a guy selling bootleg tapes gave the publisher the money wile the bootlegger got nothing but exposer for having the popular videos.
It wouldn't be piracy to post copyrighted content, because all the revenue isn't going to the poster; it's going to the owner of the IP and part to Google for hosting the content. |
This is not how copyright works, this is not how reproduction of content works and you are seriously underestimating how much infringement is happening all the time. Your analogy itself doesn't work to begin with.
| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | Know what else this would fix? People reposting someone else vid, because the own, not the poster would get paid as if it was their channel. |
people repost videos because they want to spread information and be popular, not because their channel is monetized, or else they would y'know have original content already
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Colour
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | Taiyz wrote: | | Bans are kind of meant to be permanent. That's the entire point. |
Taiyz supports the death penalty! You heard it here first folks! |
how did you even get the death penalty out of that statement
and i can't believe you just compared an online ban to the death penalty
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Abicion
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Nothing's stopping me from registering a new YouTube account under the name Bob McBob.
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Divinus Fulmen
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Colour wrote: | | Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | Taiyz wrote: | | Bans are kind of meant to be permanent. That's the entire point. |
Taiyz supports the death penalty! You heard it here first folks! |
how did you even get the death penalty out of that statement
and i can't believe you just compared an online ban to the death penalty |
It was a joke. Playing on that people can not be reformed.
Sorry, I have a headache, I completely forgot what I was going to say by the time I hit reply.
I meant to say that many bans are stupid. Right now Google is using their anti-piracy software to auto-ban users. Bans are doled out like candy on YouTube. Just look at Abicion. Look at the famous Little Kuriboh who gets banned every other week for copywrite infringement, so much so that subscribers consider it a running gag, even though he's worked out everything with companies, the automated system still bans him.
@Drake
What's the point of a ban if the user can make a new account? With the new system, that will either try to stop you from making new account, or the user can just keep making new accounts not caring like they always have. Having peoples real name on Facebook doesn't stop personal harassment, why would you think it would here?
Why would you think giving that person who's going out of their way to harass you is a good idea?
What happens when an employer searches you and finds out that you like to dumb things like post videos of you going into games and using a voice modifier wile saying stupid things? What will you do if your tech savvy parents look up your YouTube where you like Justine Beaber or talk about homoerotic feelings? Suddenly your personal life on the internet isn't personal anymore, and you'll have to watch everything you say, meaning you can't ask the right questions to the right people, or else that bully in your school found you as a nice meaty target through YouTube, or other kids tease and berate you for liking MLP:FIM.
Why can't you report a spammer? Why is their no moderation for comments?Why is is so **** hard to report someone who has clear ill will and talking about hurting someone? You speak like such a thing is alright; it's not alright. Reporting should be easier then this, and not hidden.
And of course my idea for copywrites wouldn't work right now. It's a severely outdated system that's meant to protect the publisher far more then the public, and even worse; the artist. The way we share information has changed, the world has changed. They're trying to change the world to fit the laws instead of changing the laws to fit the world. If we did things the way of the RIAA; women couldn't vote, and blacks couldn't ride on the same side of the bus as whites.
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Taiyz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:10 am Post subject: |
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I think it is better to keep things anonymous just because some people take harassment way too far,
but some of your examples are crap, man. Oh no somebody might find my slightly embarrassing interest on the internet! Whoops, got caught trolling by my new boss, so they found out that I'm an asshole!
Also, like Drake said, it's a one time question and even if you **** up you can remove your Google+ identity at any time:
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2657858
(PS: you shouldn't be using Google+ anyway.)
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Sânta Claus
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Abicion wrote: | | Nothing's stopping me from registering a new YouTube account under the name Bob McBob. |
wait, your name isn't bob mcbob?
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Drake
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | | What's the point of a ban if the user can make a new account? With the new system, that will either try to stop you from making new account, or the user can just keep making new accounts not caring like they always have. Having peoples real name on Facebook doesn't stop personal harassment, why would you think it would here? |
What the balls did you not read what I said. You're acting as if banning is now permanent as if it wasn't before, but even if they did make mandatory name change they still wouldn't be "permanent" for the exact same reasons they currently aren't. Your complaint about banning is a total non-issue.
| Quote: | | Why would you think giving that person who's going out of their way to harass you is a good idea? |
Either your reading comprehension is defunct or you're just deliberately attempting to strawman. Seriously.
| Quote: | | What happens when an employer searches you and finds out that you like to dumb things like post videos of you going into games and using a voice modifier wile saying stupid things? What will you do if your tech savvy parents look up your YouTube where you like Justine Beaber or talk about homoerotic feelings? Suddenly your personal life on the internet isn't personal anymore, and you'll have to watch everything you say, meaning you can't ask the right questions to the right people, or else that bully in your school found you as a nice meaty target through YouTube, or other kids tease and berate you for liking MLP:FIM. |
Then don't change your Youtube name to your full name. It isn't that hard. Even if it was just Youtube that made it mandatory, this means nothing for the rest of the internet. Talk about personal **** anywhere else that isn't Youtube, problem solved. Jesus.
| Quote: | | Why can't you report a spammer? Why is their no moderation for comments? Why is is so **** hard to report someone who has clear ill will and talking about hurting someone? You speak like such a thing is alright; it's not alright. Reporting should be easier then this, and not hidden. |
You can't report a spammer because the automated spam filtering system takes care of that. The more a user is flagged as spam the more likely they'll be suspended. The commenters "moderate" the comments themselves with comment rating and spam filtering. You have to go out of your way to report actual abuse and harassment because otherwise they would have to deal with fifty shitzillion reports on comments that aren't infringing, just comments others simply didn't like or disagreed with, or people they found annoying, or "what a fag", or really anything else that could just as well be solved with hiding the comments due to negative rating. That's why they changed the system to begin with; it becomes impossible to tell what's a legitimate complaint and what isn't, and the system becomes completely flooded and is rendered pointless. When the report system isn't in plain sight, people actually have to be concerned enough to go find it, and it isn't as if Youtube hides the system unreasonably just to be dicks, they do tell you where it is.
| Quote: | | And of course my idea for copywrites wouldn't work right now. It's a severely outdated system that's meant to protect the publisher far more then the public, and even worse; the artist. The way we share information has changed, the world has changed. They're trying to change the world to fit the laws instead of changing the laws to fit the world. If we did things the way of the RIAA; women couldn't vote, and blacks couldn't ride on the same side of the bus as whites. |
If you're comparing current copyright law to racism you still don't understand. Yeah, it's pretty clear that copyright law is outdated and needs to keep up with humanity, but your copyright idea doesn't work because it wouldn't work, not because "the system is keeping you down".
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Taiyz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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I also want to point out a glaring flaw in the title. Anonymity and free speech are two very different things.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:03 am Post subject: |
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But Taiyz if everyone knows who you are then you become too much of a pussy to say things that are actually on your mind for fear of being ostracized! It's too personal! I don't want to say demeaning things when other people can berate me for it and know my real name! Clearly this means that removing anonymity means my right to free speech is restricted!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:14 am Post subject: |
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I got a popup like 1 or 2 days ago that was like "DO YOU WANNA USE YOUR REAL NAME??!?!?!??!" and I clicked No.
So... I don't know how YouTube is making it mandatory to use our full name. I just clicked no. |
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