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 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: At what point (Possible SPOILERS) |
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At what point do Yuan and Kratos choose to age normally?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: Re: At what point (Possible SPOILERS) |
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| Yuan never does. If you have played the sequel, you know that he becomes the guardian of the tree of Martel. Kratos begins aging sometime on his self-induced banishment on Derhis-Karlan, were he slowly waits until he dies. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: Re: At what point (Possible SPOILERS) |
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| RuinMode wrote: | | Kratos begins aging sometime on his self-induced banishment on Derhis-Karlan, were he slowly waits until he dies. |
... What? When was this said?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: |
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I've played through the second game. I must have just missed that about Yuan. Does he appear at any point in the Phantasia timeline (I've never played any of the Phantasia games)?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: Re: At what point (Possible SPOILERS) |
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| Meowzy wrote: | | RuinMode wrote: | | Kratos begins aging sometime on his self-induced banishment on Derhis-Karlan, were he slowly waits until he dies. |
... What? When was this said? |
Dito. ô.o
There should be a skit in ToS after Flanoir, which I never encountered myself because I forgot to look for, where - if you chose Kratos' path - Lloyd or someone asks Altessa why Kratos is not simply taking off his Cruxis Crystal and Altessa says that he most probably cannot, because he's been wearing it for so long. (And when I just tried to find a script of this skit, I found another with Kratos telling Tasteless!Colette she put too much spice into the food and it is too hot - so the Serpaphim DO in fact taste their food. *random side note*)
In my opinion Kratos and Yuan would most likely collaps upon un-equipping their Crystals, because their mana, which was controlled by the Cruxis Crystal for four thousand years, would run amok within their bodies, which would after so much time not be able to control it all by itself. The result would be - in my opinion - death due to a malfunction in the mana circulation or mana lack or something. (Like what Kratos tried. xP)
There was never ever stated one of them un-equipped the Crytsals. The only hint could be Kratos' "Don't die before I do", but it doesn't say Kratos ages. Well, Derris-Kharlan drifts through space pretty "slowly" in relation to a human lifespan, so why WOULD he want to die when his mission is not accomplished yet? It may only be... an expression of fatherly love, for no parent wants to outlive their children. And Kratos (as Yuan) can still die in an accident, by being killed or killing themselves (for a single moment trying to regard DotNW as canon I still consider it possible that Yuan just stays alive to wait for someone to invent the shotgun - I would if I was plagued by Emil xD).
EDIT: Argh, sorry. It is no SKIT I've been talking about, it is a dialogue. THAT's why I didn't find it. <.<"
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I've never seen a Z-skit in ToS with Altessa in it. Does he even have any face portraits? It's not in the skit viewer either. Granted, not all skits show up in the viewer, but...
I've also never seen the skit regarding Kratos talking to the tasteless Colette; however, there is a skit where Kratos eats Raine's cooking and subsequently casts a First Aid on himself. (Funny stuff.) It's pretty clear he can taste. So can Colette, after she gets restored. Colette can also feel pain and hot and cold and stuff after being restored, yet she still has her wings and angel powers, so it's pretty obvious that the class of angels that Kratos and Colette fall under have human senses...
I've always wondered about the plot hole regarding removing Cruxis Crystals. Think about it for a second: Most all of the problems that Colette and Presea suffered with their Exspheres/Cruxis Crystals could have been easily solved if they'd just taken them off. You have to wonder why no one ever once even thought of this as a possibility. The only explanation that makes any sense at all is if Cruxis Crystals cannot be removed without something horrible happening to the host. (This is never stated as such in the games, though, from what I've seen. In fact, DotNW implies that Cruxis Crystals can be removed just fine. Colette refuses to give hers to Richter because it's "too important" to give up. The concept that it'd kill her to take it off is never mentioned, so...)
My own personal interpretation is probably Yuan remains relatively ageless due more to being the guardian of the tree than because of his Cruxis Crystal, per se. He might eventually still die but that could well be ages down the road. Kratos probably allowed his body's metabolism to resume at the end of ToS. His statement to Lloyd about dying before him seems to hint at this. But this is conjecture on my part. |
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| Phaelin wrote: | | I've never seen a Z-skit in ToS with Altessa in it. Does he even have any face portraits? It's not in the skit viewer either. Granted, not all skits show up in the viewer, but... |
Stupid me:
| Soryu wrote: | | EDIT: Argh, sorry. It is no SKIT I've been talking about, it is a dialogue. THAT's why I didn't find it. <.<" |
Well, the manga implies that the metabolism and thus the aging process of cells and stuff is not completely, but rather "almost completely" stopped. Altessa says so, but maybe this is due to the translation. This could mean that the Serpahim aged in those 4 000 years a few hours or maybe days, but not more... So maybe they WOULD be able to die "naturally" one day - in a diiistand future. o_o
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| Phaelin wrote: | I've always wondered about the plot hole regarding removing Cruxis Crystals. Think about it for a second: Most all of the problems that Colette and Presea suffered with their Exspheres/Cruxis Crystals could have been easily solved if they'd just taken them off. You have to wonder why no one ever once even thought of this as a possibility. The only explanation that makes any sense at all is if Cruxis Crystals cannot be removed without something horrible happening to the host. (This is never stated as such in the games, though, from what I've seen. In fact, DotNW implies that Cruxis Crystals can be removed just fine. Colette refuses to give hers to Richter because it's "too important" to give up. The concept that it'd kill her to take it off is never mentioned, so...)
My own personal interpretation is probably Yuan remains relatively ageless due more to being the guardian of the tree than because of his Cruxis Crystal, per se. He might eventually still die but that could well be ages down the road. Kratos probably allowed his body's metabolism to resume at the end of ToS. His statement to Lloyd about dying before him seems to hint at this. But this is conjecture on my part. |
Uh, this is a plot hole? It's been a loooong time since I've played the game, but as I recall, they couldn't remove Colette and Presea's crystals because neither had a proper key crest. Exbeluas are the result when you try to wrench an improperly mounted Exsphere from its host.
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Like Lunar said, it's because they didn't have a proper keycrest at the time.
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Soryu, I have to say, I've never seen that scene with Altessa. The big problem is that after Flanoir, Altessa is basically out of commission. All he really does is say "Who would've thought Mithos was really Yggdrasill?" or something along those lines. He doesn't even seem to care that Tabatha is gone.
So basically, while it may be vaguely hinted that Kratos removes his crystal by the "Don't die before I do" thing, it's never outright stated. And that line can be interpreted in lots of different ways, too.
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@ Meowzy: Like I said, I never saw this scene before, but it is even in German tips and tricks and in English walkthroughs... The time it is supposed to be available is very short, from after Flanoir scene to BEFORE Tower of Salvation. Depending on which path you took, Kratos either reproaches or thanks (?) Zelos.
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There is also the fact that Kratos promises Lloyd that he with throw all the exspheres of Derris Kharlan's residents out into space to suggest that he removes his at some point.
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| Soryu wrote: | | Depending on which path you took, Kratos either reproaches or thanks (?) Zelos. |
... Isn't that just the scene where Zelos talks to a Kratos hologram outside of Altessa's house, if you did the "Kratos gathers Eternal Sword Materials" sidequest? Because that's exactly the same timeframe. And in that timeframe you mentioned, I'm pretty sure Altessa is unconcious.
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| Meowzy wrote: | | Soryu wrote: | | Depending on which path you took, Kratos either reproaches or thanks (?) Zelos. |
... Isn't that just the scene where Zelos talks to a Kratos hologram outside of Altessa's house, if you did the "Kratos gathers Eternal Sword Materials" sidequest? Because that's exactly the same timeframe. And in that timeframe you mentioned, I'm pretty sure Altessa is unconcious. |
THAT's the content of the dialogue (and I never once saw it T.T). o.o Though I really think I remember the crew wondering why Kratos does not leave Cruxis and removes his CC and then someone - and I thought it was Altessa, but I might remember wrong o.o - tells that it is pretty likely he just can't, having been equipped with it so long.
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