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| Conn wrote: | | Why does everyone on this forum hate 3D? |
The solution (or rather, better alternative)?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Here's hoping they'll give Uma Thurman another shot at Poison Ivy. She really needs to redeem herself for that role...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | Here's hoping they'll give Uma Thurman another shot at Poison Ivy. She really needs to redeem herself for that role... |
No she doesn't.
She can redeem herself by never mentioning it ever again.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Pffft, whatever ... not like I like the riddler or anything ...
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oh well, I 'll get over it.
| Pete wrote: | | Here's hoping they'll give Uma Thurman another shot at Poison Ivy. She really needs to redeem herself for that role... |
If character from that piece of s*** needs a redemption, it's Bane.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Going ARRRGH GRRR and breaking things doesn't make you a character.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: |
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I'd LIKE to see Scarecrow actually get a full on villain role rather than secondary villain/guy Batman apprehends at the start of the movie.
Two Face is unfortunately no mas, and I think Riddler could have been handled well.
While I'm not sure he'd work as a main villain, perhaps Penguin could get a role in some way? If the idea is to show Batman fighting corruption and the like, having Penguin in his role of being a corrupt nightclub owner could work well.
Bane would be a good choice if handled like the comics, and less like...yeah let's not talk about that one movie.
I think villains like Killer Croc, Mad Hatter, Clayface, Mr. Freeze, etc etc always HAVE been a bit too gimmicky at times anyway, especially in this more realistic interpretation of the Batman mythos - you've had Raz Al Ghul who operated by a secret society, Joker who despite having the most unconventional methods used conventional wepaons (I'm taking about with the Nolan movies now), and Scarecrow who based his villainy off his knowledge of psychiatry.
To suddenly have a guy made of morphing clay, an ice gun, and a half croc/half man would just seem...a bit too much of a leap, and that ultimately is the problem with Poison Ivy as well.
If her powers are dialed back and she basically operates by using chemcials and the like, okay. She starts busting out plant people and giant attack plants, it's going to be too much of a leap for the canon Nolan's going with.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Conn brought up a good point when I was discussing this with him, so I thought I'd share:
| Quote: | Conchobhar?! says:
I think it would be for the better, too, since this time they could really roll with Two-Face
MASH YOU BARREL ZOO says:
yeah, but they clearly said he DIED
it'd be one thing if it were just like
"he fell off, injured, but survived"
then they'd have Two Face
Conchobhar?! says:
it could easily be explained as a ruse, as a way to keep Dent as a hero to the citizens of Gotham, though. It wasn't open casket funeral, I don't think
MASH YOU BARREL ZOO says:
...hmmm
okay, I can see where you're going with that, actually
like Gordon and Bats covered it up
and if Dent starts running around as Two Face
Conchobhar?! says:
i mean it's not like we saw Dent get his neck broken, we just saw him fall and lose consciousness. it's not a terribly huge stretch to say he survived, got shipped off to arkham or whatever, and Gordon and Bats simply covered it up
MASH YOU BARREL ZOO says:
well, that puts the hero image of Dent in jeopardy
and thus the battle with Joker for Gotham's spirit continues
so what you're saying is then reverse the roles from Dark Knights
have Dent be the main, and Joker still present as a danger |
Given this, I'd say my preference would probably be for Two Face.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Matthias wrote: | | To suddenly have a guy made of morphing clay, an ice gun, and a half croc/half man would just seem...a bit too much of a leap, and that ultimately is the problem with Poison Ivy as well. |
Yeah. We're talking about a director who refuses to even include Robin; what do you think the chances are of him using a more supernatural and/or ridiculous villain like Clayface or Killer Croc?
I'm hoping Penguin in a minor role, and either Bane or Hush. I wish he would use The Riddler, though; it would be great to see Bats work as a detective.
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| Conn wrote: |
I'm hoping Penguin in a minor role, and either Bane or Hush. I wish he would use The Riddler, though; it would be great to see Bats work as a detective. |
To then see him pull such shenanigans like digitally reconstruct a random bullet, blown to pieces, pushed inside the clip by the killer to find a finger print?
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What?
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| Red Hot Chosen Zelos wrote: | | Pete wrote: | | Here's hoping they'll give Uma Thurman another shot at Poison Ivy. She really needs to redeem herself for that role... |
If character from that piece of s*** needs a redemption, it's Bane. |
I think you mean Freeze (The ICE PUNS Oh God the ICE PUNS), Nolan's universe would ensure he'd be closer to TAS' Freeze unfortunately I doubt it would happen. 
| Matthias wrote: | | I'd LIKE to see Scarecrow actually get a full on villain role rather than secondary villain/guy Batman apprehends at the start of the movie. |
Yeah I agree with that and it is unfortunate what happen with Two-Face. I do wonder if he'll give thought to Catwoman?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Shadowfox wrote: | | I think you mean Freeze (The ICE PUNS Oh God the ICE PUNS) |
You need to chill.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Conn wrote: | | I'm hoping Penguin in a minor role, and either Bane or Hush. |
I totally forgot about Hush, he may very well be in this movie. Seeing either him or Scarecrow (as a lead villain) would definitely float my boat. Not so keen on seeing a Two Face return though since his story was nicely wrapped up in The Dark Knight.
Also, I'm pretty confident that Selina Kyle will make an appearance.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Shadowfox wrote: | | Red Hot Chosen Zelos wrote: | | Pete wrote: | | Here's hoping they'll give Uma Thurman another shot at Poison Ivy. She really needs to redeem herself for that role... |
If character from that piece of s*** needs a redemption, it's Bane. |
I think you mean Freeze (The ICE PUNS Oh God the ICE PUNS), Nolan's universe would ensure he'd be closer to TAS' Freeze unfortunately I doubt it would happen.
| Matthias wrote: | | I'd LIKE to see Scarecrow actually get a full on villain role rather than secondary villain/guy Batman apprehends at the start of the movie. |
Yeah I agree with that and it is unfortunate what happen with Two-Face. I do wonder if he'll give thought to Catwoman? |
It's possible, but a few things make me think not in terms of Catwoman:
- The question of scale - both Ra's and Joker have had schemes that threaten Gotham as a whole - could they really transition to just a cat burglar? Seems awfully...minor by comparison.
- The question of Catwoman's name is kind of besmirched - we can thank that crappy Halle Berry movie for that.
- The question of is she even a villain - I hesitate to even call Catwoman a villain for the most part - especially when she basically is a love interest to Bats and an eventual member of the Batman family as it is. Yes, it starts antagonistic, but it just isn't the case for long.
-The question of where the series already went and where it's going - A large reason for Catwoman's exsistence was for Batman to question just how far he'd go in terms of his crime fighting - as stated a few times, Catwoman's crimes are minor in comparsion to what he's already faced - she's a cat burgular, which by definition is someone who tries to avoid detection, so she's not actively causing people direct harm, other than the whole "rob rich people" thing.
She also is fighting for a cause she believes in, outside the realms of the law -- oh wait, so is he.
But these are questions Nolan already answered - Batman's morality question already brought up by the cell phone tracing plot point. And I don't think Nolan would introduce her as a love interest so soon after Rachel snuffed it.
So I really don't see how Catwoman would even fit in. It's a shame, I feel she's a necessary part of the overall story, but it's clear Nolan's going in another direction.
When it comes to Batman media, I've got a pretty clear idea of who I consider the "core" group of Batman's rogue's gallery - those I think should be covered or shown first.
I really can yammer on about this (and I already have), so I'll breifly list them and why I feel that way.
Joker: No freakin' duh. You can't have a Batman franchise without Joker, period. They remain one of the best foils in modern fiction, comic book or otherwhise.
Scarecrow: Being one of the few who could shake the unshakable Batman puts him high on the list, but he and Batman share an interesting trait, and that's their use of fear - Crane directly manipulates it through his toxins, but Batman does in fact engage in psychological warfare with the criminals of Gotham every time he puts on the cowl.
Two Face: One thing Nolan's movies have missed out on is that Wayne and Dent were the utmost best of friends before Dent became Two Face, so Two Face being around is a constant reminder to Batman that he at times is unable to save the people he's trying to protect. Not to mention his duality is really interesting at times if handled right (aka not Batman Forever.)
Riddler: Admittedly, Riddler's one of those villains that can become horribly schticky and ridiculous (again, see Batman Forever) if handled wrong. In the right hands though, it becomes a battle of wits a la Holmes and Moriarty - we get to see Batman play detective like never before, and it's awfully fun to see.
Ra's Al Ghul: Given that Batman is at times intimately involved with his family (specifically daughter Talia), and the strange kind of respect they have for one another, Ra's is always an interesting villain.
Catwoman: Basically see above, but she serves as an interesting foil for Batman.
Penguin: Admittedly, the other gangsters serve this purpose too, but Penguin to me serves as the most prominent example of that smudge on Gotham's landscape Batman hasn't gotten rid of yet. With Penguin around, you give validity to the criminal underworld.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Shadowfox wrote: | | Red Hot Chosen Zelos wrote: | | Pete wrote: | | Here's hoping they'll give Uma Thurman another shot at Poison Ivy. She really needs to redeem herself for that role... |
If character from that piece of s*** needs a redemption, it's Bane. |
I think you mean Freeze (The ICE PUNS Oh God the ICE PUNS), Nolan's universe would ensure he'd be closer to TAS' Freeze unfortunately I doubt it would happen. |
Hey, say what you will, but Arnold's Freeze was f***ing hilarious and I wouldn't touch a thing about it. He's too iconic of a failure to be erased from our plane of existence, at this moment.
Ivy was bland and horrid, and no one working on that film had a slight clue on who Bane was. He wasn't just some slack jawed Mexican wrestler. He was articulate, cunning, a criminal mastermind, one of the few people to break the Batman psychologically and literally (creating one of the most iconic Batman moments of the 90s), and deserves better than some guy only good for, as Abicion pointed out,
| Quote: | | Going ARRRGH GRRR and breaking things |
Plus, if you wanted a serious Mr. Freeze, we had Batman SubZero .... I don't remember anything about it since I only saw it once when I was 10, but people claim it's great, so, it probably was.
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