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Dr. Casey

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: Chloe Valens: a girl even more evil than Shirley? |
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| If Chloe was the Merines, would she have accepted Nerifes' power and try to destroy the world if Senel rejected her? It's up to you, the members of the Namco Tales forums, to decide. |
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Conn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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No. _________________
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Dr. Casey

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| What makes you so sure, Conn? Chloe demonstrates many times that she's not the paragon of morality she wishes herself to be. Though I hate to admit it, she could in some ways be considered the most immoral of Legendia's cast. |
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Conn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Chloe isn't a "paragon of morality" but she isn't the jealous-and-irrational type, either. The worst she's ever done in the game was stab Senel, but a) Senel was directly obstructing her, and b) she clearly felt bad about it. I can't see her deciding to kill the Orerines over a rejection like Shirley. _________________
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Ryuuka of the 7th Flame

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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While the murder of her parents is clearly not something she can easily let go (understandably), she has no problem accepting the fact that Senel simply isn't interested. _________________ The ember is dust before the wind... |
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Jessamyn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to say she wouldn't, but I can't honestly be sure. When you take the fact that she stabs Senel because he gets in her way, we can't know for sure what Chloe would be capable of. _________________
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Conn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ryuu seika wrote: | | she has no problem accepting the fact that Senel simply isn't interested. |
Oh, I forgot about this. You're right, after her CQ Chloe seems to accept Senel simply isn't interested (at least for the time being) and lets him go.
| Jessamyn wrote: | | When you take the fact that she stabs Senel because he gets in her way, we can't know for sure what Chloe would be capable of. |
| Conn wrote: | | a) Senel was directly obstructing her, and b) she clearly felt bad about it. |
Not comparable to Shirley's actions at all. _________________
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Jessamyn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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My point is that Chloe was willing to hurt someone she was close to because they got in her way. How do we know for certain that, if she was in Shirley's position, she would definitely not take advantage of the power at her fingertips? We don't, because of her prior actions.
It doesn't matter that Chloe felt bad about it; she still decided to do it, despite the fact that Senel wasn't a threat to her. _________________
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Ryuuka of the 7th Flame

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Jessamyn wrote: | | despite the fact that Senel wasn't a threat to her. |
Senel WAS a threat to her revenge plans. _________________ The ember is dust before the wind... |
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Jessamyn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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That's not the kind of threat I'm talking about.  _________________
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Ryuuka of the 7th Flame

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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No but the point still stands. One would think that dead family would be greater motivation than a relationship that never really got going.
EDIT: Shirley having been his "sister" for years has slightly more grounds for going berserk over rejection though. _________________ The ember is dust before the wind... |
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Jessamyn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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One would think friendship would be a decent motivational reason to NOT stab someone. Chloe's whole revenge kick doesn't wash away that she hurt a friend simply because they were trying to convince her to let it go. _________________
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Conn

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Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Jessamyn wrote: | | It doesn't matter that Chloe felt bad about it; she still decided to do it, despite the fact that Senel wasn't a threat to her. |
The cirumstances between those two events are vastly different, as were Chloe and Shirley's reactions. Even with Chloe's issues, her "pulling a Shirley"— so to speak— is completely out of character. It's just not happening. _________________
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Jessamyn

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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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We don't know that. Chloe makes it obvious that she is willing to hurt others if she deems the circumstances call for it. How is that out of character again when it's RIGHT IN THE GAME? _________________
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Conn

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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| Jessamyn wrote: | | We don't know that. Chloe makes it obvious that she is willing to hurt others if she deems the circumstances call for it. How is that out of character again when it's RIGHT IN THE GAME? |
Please tell me how rejection calls for hurting others, within the context of Chloe's character. _________________
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