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 Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: Any particular reason why... |
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Why banned members can't be allowed to return after several months? I've seen this on a lot of boards, after a member has been banned for 6 months they can request to be unbanned. Then they get a roughly month-long probation period where any offenses result in them being instantly banned again for the next 6 months.
If they succeed in proving that they've reformed though, then they are returned to the normal rule set and banning requirements- on boards that do use point systems though they start at what would be 20 points here and have to let it go down. |
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Lunar Eclipse
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'd prefer that they not be allowed to come back since. First of all, if you were banned on these boards to begin with, you were either incredibly bad and disrespectful for a long, long period of time or committed a major infraction like threatening someone. The rules here are enforced in a really lax manner, so unless your personality is just constantly abrasive (either because you somehow create arguments or contribute to them), you won't be banned. On top of that, I don't really see how you can judge that someone's been reformed. I've had a few old members IM me claiming that they've reformed their behavior, but I can tell just by the way that they argue with me that if they were to come back, conflict would immediately erupt around them. And generally speaking, I don't really see the advantage of destroying the only power we really have to get rid of problematic members. Normally, the people around here who're banned prompt a sigh of relief from the general community once they're gone. Why make them endure the possibility of having to deal with that person again in just six months?
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FyshStyx
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | so unless your personality is just constantly abrasive (either because you somehow create arguments or contribute to them), you won't be banned. |
If that's the case, why haven't Lotus and FireG been banned by now?
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Lunar Eclipse
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| FyshStyx wrote: | | Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | so unless your personality is just constantly abrasive (either because you somehow create arguments or contribute to them), you won't be banned. |
If that's the case, why haven't Lotus and FireG been banned by now? |
One was on 20-point temp ban all last week and one is just two points away from a temp, so they're being punished for their behavior and will be banned soon if they don't shape up.
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Mr Blobby
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I'm more curious about the good Cappy, truth be told.
In any case, I really don't think anyone who's banned under this kind of system has grounds for appeal; it is very lenient, as are those who enforce it, and - particularly given that points decrease for good behaviour - anyone who earns enough points for a ban is almost certainly a persistent troublemaker who knows exactly what they're doing and has no place on a forum like this one. Membership is a privilege, not a right, and RoL - sorry, nameless hypothetical banned member, clearly you weren't thinking of anyone in particular - has lost that privilege. |
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Ruilus
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hoo hoo, you've not even 100 posts yet and you bring up something like this? Stealth is a lost art.
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Ryuuko
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Ruilus wrote: | | Hoo hoo, you've not even 100 posts yet and you bring up something like this? Stealth is a lost art. |
It's RoL's alt. >_>
As for the actual topic, the point of being banned is that you can't come back. Giving you 6 months or whatever probably won't change you much, so it seems useless to let them back after time. You have to be pretty bad to get banned from here anyway. >_>
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MasterT
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I hope when I'm banned I'm as good at making alts as RoL is.
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Capt. Velocity
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Didn't the Dan ask this same question on his alt account (although he admitted who he was directly) and get banned again? Anyway, I did not realize who this was. I thought it was raine_master with a changed name. I didn't actually look at the post count and I only say one post.
Anyway, they're not going to let banned member come back. They just won't.
I have no idea what Lotus and FireG did, but I doubt that they're as bad as some others.
| SNIGGERING STEAK wrote: | | I'm more curious about the good Cappy, truth be told. |
I was supposed to have a temp ban a while back, but apparently they forgot...or something. Recently I was told that my points have gone down since then, at zero to be exact, though a few points may have been added.
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MasterT
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: |
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You can't go from temp ban to 0 in that amount of time.
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Sludgey
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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With a moderation system like Tales, yes, you can.
"Hey I added up kami's points and he should be banned."
"We shouldn't ban him in one go, so let's not give him any"
"Works for me"
I'm sorry, I like most of the mods here, but as far as upholding the rules I think you guys are fully capable to do better. |
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Lunar Eclipse
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Sludgey wrote: | "Hey I added up kami's points and he should be banned."
"We shouldn't ban him in one go, so let's not give him any"
"Works for me" |
That's not what happened with General Discussion, and as far as I know, that's never happened. He just never had anywhere near 20 and apparently misunderstood what someone said to him. We do tend to stop at 20 and temp ban regardless of whether or not they'd immediately go up 30 since it's not really fair to permanently ban someone without the temp ban warning we've guaranteed everyone, but aside from that, we don't hold back on points once we've decided we're going to give them out. The only real argument that I think is valid is that we don't give them out often enough, not that we tally in an improper manner once we decide to award points.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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If we added all of kami's points up, he'd probably have more than 30. He'd be banned, end of story.
If we added up all of (insert anybody else's name here)'s points up, he/she'd probably have more than 30. If it was a prominent, well-liked GDer who was banned without the temp, the forums would go up in arms over it.
Some fault lies with the lenient rules, some with the general perception and bias of the boards.
That said, yes...you'd have to have done something really bad/stupid to get banned from here.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| Ryuuko wrote: | | Ruilus wrote: | | Hoo hoo, you've not even 100 posts yet and you bring up something like this? Stealth is a lost art. |
It's RoL's alt. >_>
As for the actual topic, the point of being banned is that you can't come back. Giving you 6 months or whatever probably won't change you much, so it seems useless to let them back after time. You have to be pretty bad to get banned from here anyway. >_> |
So then if you all know it is me, why am I not banned again like all the other alts. I'm surprised this account still exists even, this was an old alt used bother Cyke a long time ago.
Honestly though, I know a bunch of people in addition to myself that were flame-baited into getting banned, that really other than one or two incidents had done nothing wrong to deserve a permanent ban.
That is the whole point of the 'probation' interval, people with an abrasive personality or are disagreeable in their postings will usually commit some form of infraction or cause trouble in some way during the interval and get banned again, while people who just plain stepped in a trap at a bad time can get a second chance at being good.
@Ruilius: My point was to actually let this account die, and get one last round of messages through to my old friends. I wasn't worried about stealth, even if I do get unbanned from this place I don't want to stick around. There's far nicer forums to post at, and I only looked at this place again to see what Momishin was up to. |
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Ten Avalanche
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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But, (this is Focus btw) you had said yourself "you can leave, but you will always come back" ...or something like that. Which kind of doesn't help this.
No offense, but it does seem like you are trying to get yourself unbanned more than you aren't.
I don't know about you, but several times when I said that I wasn't going to do something anymore, I ended up doing it again.
Hmm, I feel like I'm just stating the obvious here, though :/
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