Topic revival

summoner_sheena · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: Topic revival

(Okay I admit I shouldn't be making this when I've revived a few topics as a joke before. Those are in the past. One of which was a week or so ago. That's still the past. Go away.)

Recently, I've been seeing a lot of 2-3 month old topics being revived, mostly in the Tales sections. For at least a page everyone posts boring, generic "Y U REVIVE THIS" messages. It's....annoying, and it happens every week at least once. Maybe twice. Each time I ask myself "...What is the big deal, it's just 2-3 months old <_>" There's no doubt that most of the Tales sections get less attention than the infamous terrible off topic ones. Isn't it better to just search back a few pages and see if your topic has been done rather than make a brand new one? If Generic Newbie makes a topic that has been done before 3 weeks ago, he gets yelled at by Veteran Tales Sectioner and linked to the thread. But if Generic Newbie revives a topic 5 weeks ago, Veteran Tales Sectioner yells at them and links a mod to it.

Is this a big deal? No, not really. I speak only for myself and my happiness because I am a horrible hivemind offtopicer; can we please decide on a cut off date for topic revivals (with a bit of a gray area; if the cutoff date is 50 days and it was revived 51 days later who the hell cares), taking into account the relevance of the post that revived it, whether or not it is a popular topic of discussion, and the section's activeness?

plz thx.

Daun Dachette · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 129 Location: Yulia City

I agree with that entirely. You seem to be quite the knowledge builder...
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Lunatic Drache · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject:

Usually when a n00b revives something, it's due to something rather pointless.

If they create a topic, it's usually equally pointless >_>

Or so I gather, anyway.

And some of them are repeat offenders...

Though I don't disagree with the suggestion itself. It'd be nice to have.
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Daun Dachette · Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 129 Location: Yulia City

Well, that is basically what a noob is, is someone with no meaning or helping of the forum...Sort of like a cockroach, you don't need them, but they're there anyway.
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Moontoon · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 9437 Location: Sweden

Everyone's been there >_> Sure, they revive old topics and double post in the beginning. But after being yelled at they usually behave Laughing

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Shadowfox · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject:

ladynadiad · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:44 am Post subject:

And wouldn't this behavior Sludgey is mentioning also be against the rules?

I recall there being something about backseat modding, and saying its fine to be helpful and point things out to a newbie, but that shouldn't be the whole reason why you are posting.

So I would hope the people consistently doing this are earning points and eventually get warned about it so it stops.
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summoner_sheena · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:24 am Post subject:

Odin M Yggdrasil · Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 14734 Location: Dead

The understanding I had of this is if the topic receives no posts for a period of one month, it is considered dead if it has fallen off of the first page in that interval. However, if it is still on the first page revival is fine as long as the subject is one that can be resumed.

Role plays seem to be the exception to this. It seems like many times a RP will go dead for several weeks or even months at a time and then suddenly be resurrected for a while, usually they eventually fall silent too. I am personally in at least three RPs of this nature, where it takes so long for people to answer that by time alone it should be dead, but because people are still around and just stretched for time or ideas it is continued when practical and nobody says anything about it.

Shadowfox · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:41 am Post subject:

ladynadiad · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:27 am Post subject:

Jaded One · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject:

Sludgey · Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 4269

Can we please decide on a cut off date, and maybe see some actual punishment for people who spend a page ranting about how they broke a rule?

Because the back seat modding is still being done.

I mean, I understand that a lot of the people who backseat mod (usually the same person) are scolding the people who do it repeatably. And of course, reviving a 6 month old topic is bad. But, say, a three month topic isn't a big deal at all >_> As it's never in the rules we don't really know how long is too long, but it IS stated in the rules that you shouldn't backseat mod, and since that is a direct violation the person who backseat mods should get the points just as much as the person who revived the topic.

Same goes for people who say "In before lock". They aren't contributing anything, are promoting the topic to be derailed, and are more or less saying "I'm increasing my post count!"

But I digress.

Ryuuko · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:39 am Post subject:

For me, it depends. If the topic was revived and something relevant, and on-topic, and more than a small phrase was posted, then I'd let it go. For some cases, I think we'd rather have the topic revived, than a whole new one created. Now the one thing that I do lock when revived, is when a person asks for help, they get help, and then a few months later, someone posts the exact same answer. I uh... think they figured it out over the few month span.

Anyway, I agree with you that the off-topic posts that just state DON'T REVIVE OLD THREADS are spam/backseat modding. I'll take it to the other mods, and we'll try to decide on something. ^^;
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Sludgey · Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 4269

Well, of course the content of the post should be taken into consideration, but even then a post solely of "reviving topics is bad" is spam and back seat modding. The topic still has the potential of going somewhere 99% of the time and even if it doesn't they should just alert a mod and have them take care of it.