Resident Evil 6, Revelations HD! Rev demo is up!

[Taiyz]

So I just finished Leon's campaign the other day, and I'm kind of sour about the whole thing. Instead of writing some big rant that nobody'll read, I'd like to respond to YOUR opinions instead.

So, what did you guys like or dislike about RE6? I remember somebody either digging Leon's campaign and not the others, or hating Leon's campaign and liking the others (I think it was Izanagi but I can't remember.) I'm curious who that was/which opinion it was.

I started Chris' campaign last night and it's a semi-immediate improvement. The J'avo act more like what enemies post-RE4 should. The zombies in Leon's campaign need a lot of **** work.

Oh and remember, the 17th brings the camera patch (I think it'll improve the game quite a bit, the camera started to bug me in the second demo, and now it definitely bothers me.)
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[Celestial Phoenix]

The game in it's current state fails to hold you to keep playing it, i.e it lacks replay value compared to earlier installments.

This is likely due to the DLC. There are new modes coming real soon(the 18th of this month I think), but I doubt it's enough.

I'm pretty sure Capcom is using the game's features that should of been included in the base game to milk us of every cent.
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[Celestial Phoenix]

And you know what that also helped signal? ...Death of the beloved franchise.
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[Taiyz]

The single player definitely lacks replayability, especially since the game only tracks your overall medal score and time; you can't view the makeup of the medal a la RE5 and the DMC games. Not a good game for leaderboards, but I guess that's why Mercenaries is available from the start (actually Mercenaries is probably open by default because they want you to grind for skills.) They tried to make up for the lack of replayability with the online features; Story Intersections, Agent Hunt, etc.
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[Prinny]

But I like reading your rants.

[Abicion]

oh Sherry.
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[Taiyz]

[BlueFuji]

It felt like I was playing a Resident Evil movie.

Item management is poor, and no more upgrading. They reduce what level Chris character was to a lulzy and poor drunk that gives one of the very few reasons Piers exists. He was pointless aside from small things he did, and keeping Chris in line from losing to much of his character that was developed in 5.

I hated Helena, and know they'll prolly toss her aside just like Ashley, and Sheva. The whole aspect of her going through and yellingg at everyone not to shoot her sister when she was clearly zombified was ridiculous, and just annoying. This is the same girl whose fault it was the president was zombified, and wanted to make up for it. I get that her backstory is to be tragic with her sister, and Simmons, but come on, it's just ugly.

"Can't...regenerate...fast enough" ***** can't even regenerate at all ingame, it's not the dialogue per say, and I wouldn't have a problem with it...If the game didn't TRY to act upon it, and make it a big deal with Jake taking the shrapnel out of her, and it healing with him and her making abit of a deal about it. I'm glad to see Sherry developed, but her "Powers"? Annoyed me.

Back in 5's days if you had a Standard Def TV you could play multiplayer in fullscreen instead of with black borders. Did that, and me and my friend who I played with, loved it in the course. I had no idea the reality that it had the black borders if you played on most if not any other TV. So when we went to play RE6 in Co-Op...the realizations were less than pleasant that Capcom went Lost Planet 2 on the aspect, and my friend eventually just quit on it. Their excuse of "Conserving Quality" as the reason for the black borders/boxes was pathetic.

What I LIKED? Carla was an awesome villain who didn't need to be fought a bajillion times to make herself known and be tough. Ada was still good and fun, and Jake was a nice new character for the most part. The voice acting was excellent, especially Laura Bailey with Helena, and Troy Baker as Jake, and I love the online gameplay to of course. Chris's campaign had the best boss fights, while Leon had some nice character to see from him.

I didn't take it seriously, and I still disliked alot of it. The fact I was so damn gullible enough to buy it as well left another sour taste left in my mouth, and wallet.
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[Taiyz]

I agree that item management is clumsy. I find that in Chris' campaign I rapidly run out of space because the assault rifle has such small stacks (only 60 rounds, so I frequently end up with like three stacks of them.) The game has a nasty habit of giving you a ****** of ammo and you think you're set for the rest of the game, then they introduce a boss where you use literally every bullet and grenade you have to bring it down. This kind of ties into your movie comment; this scenario where you barely scrape by feels like something out of a movie, finishing the monster off with your last bullet or some **** (there's even a skill for increasing the power of your final bullet!) But mechanically it just ends up being frustrating when the game ends up having to feed you ammo because you don't have any attack power skills.

Sure in RE5 you never really got to a critical state, but you always had to choose what ammo type to use, when. There was a ton of strategy and it always felt rewarding when you finally ran into a tougher enemy that you saved some shotgun rounds for.


I'm actually...Very fine with Chris' introduction for this game. I mean, in the demo I was completely insulted. THE Chris Redfield is being talked down to by this young upstart, and Capcom even made Chris a washed up drunk...

But he's suffering from PTSD and has amnesia. I'm willing to cut them some slack. I don't think it's a great plot device, but I don't mind the whole drunk thing now that I have more context. I still don't think that Piers is a particularly interesting character; his bio (much like Helena's) suggests a character that's much more interesting than who we meet in-game. The bit about Piers treating his subordinates like family sounds nice, but he's just really uptight in-game and you don't really feel that, especially with the way he sorta brushes off Finn.


Helena as well has a cool backstory. She's a great agent for DSO, but she's very emotionally-driven (she used excessive force on a terrorist who was making threats in front of a victim's family.) I would've liked to see her interact with people more and actually show that element of her personality...But in the story she is beyond one-dimensional. I WANNA SAVE MY SISTER, NOW I WANT REVENGE and that's it. I hated how you literally know *nothing* for 95% of the first two chapters of Leon's story because she withholds plot details for no reason (and let's not even talk about chapter 3, well, because there's nothing to talk about- it's entirely irrelevant to the plot. They could've just said "oh they escaped the catacombs" and had a chapter in an actual interesting location and nothing of value would've been lost!)


What I've heard about the whole regeneration thing does sound annoying, but I'll have to wait to comment on that. I said something to this effect before the forum reverted; I like the idea that some of the RE heroes are being changed, physically, across the games, but I think that they should have some basis on gameplay or keep them to cutscenes only. I hear a lot of people complaining about Sherry being downed and going "CAN'T REGENERATE" and it's like WELL THAT SURE ISN'T A CONVENIENT SUPERPOWER THEN

Something kind of bothers me about the healing mechanic in general though. Whenever you revive somebody, your character reaches for something, then pounds the other character on their chest. I assume it's like a needle of adrenaline or something, but I don't really see anything (I do play in SD, so...) I dunno, it just seems a bit...Overacted? I mean in this world you turn plants into tic-tacs that heal you. I think that the animation looked better in RE5 (although that was similar, I think it was more that you straightened the other person out, not jabbing them with a needle, but I can't remember, I think there's still a chest-thump.) If somebody can clarify this if I'm misunderstanding the animation, please do so.


The black borders thing makes sense from a programming standpoint. The game already chugs, man. In fact the game hard-locked on me during Chris' first chapter (in the little alleyway after the first J'avo mutation happens, a shutter opens up and dudes run out. I looted that room behind the shutter, and the game crashed as I was exiting it.) Japanese games are typically very sound on a technical level, so that really surprised me. Some other areas, if you're positioned up high in the level and you look around, the frame rate drops noticeably.

So basically, if they wanted to do full screen split-screen, they'd have to reduce the graphical quality just for the system to be able to manage it. It kind of sucks that there's no option to do that, especially when games are so scaleable these days (and a PC release is planned anyway) but it is a legitimate concern of theirs.


And about Leon, I'm not so positive on his appearance in this game. He's closer to how he was in Degeneration; a much more serious person. And I get that he's older now, and has much more responsibility and has likely faced a great deal of **** between RE4 and now (I'm not exactly sure when Degeneration took place since it had no references to Las Plagas) but I kind of miss the snarkier Dante-esque Leon of RE4.

That's ultimately minor though; he's still my favourite RE dude. I've been mulling over this for a few days, and I think my main issue is that he mostly plays second fiddle to Helena. She's the one leading him around and the one who knows what's going on, and like I said before, he really doesn't have much input until Ada shows up, and even then she's kind of the star of the plot, this is Ada's game overall, IMO. He doesn't really take control of things until the end of chapter 3, and even then he's still basically fighting Helena's fight. I don't consider it to be Leon's campaign.



I also feel that I should mention that Helena is pretty similar to the woman that Leon worked with in Degeneration (Claire mostly did her own thing.) They're similar in design and plot relevance (movie girl's brother is dealing with the baddies and ends up becoming a G-virus monster.) So she gets extra negative points for being so similar to an existing character.

Finally, going back to one of your earlier comments, I don't see Ashley as being tossed aside...I mean think about how much time it took for Sherry to return. Sheva was only a game ago! There were rumours about her being in this as well, mind you.

Right now I'd like to see a Claire game, but who I'd want her to team up with, I'm not sure. Maybe that'd be a good way to bring Barry back, I mean she's the sister of a S.T.A.R.S. member, so she might know him. Other than that...I'm not sure if I'd want a girls-only co-op RE, which I think sounds douche-y, but it's just a feeling I have and I'm not sure why.

After Claire returns though, I think we need a Leon and Rebecca team-up. I know I just mentioned S.T.A.R.S., but who knows what she's doing these days? I don't think Leon would team up with BSAA just because members of that will likely be paired together in games. A Leon and Sherry game seems a bit too easy to me though (same reason why I don't want another Leon and Claire team-up, even if Degeneration really wasn't one,) so I'd want somebody outside of DSO.

My other thought would be, maybe Jill retired from the BSAA after RE5? I mean, after the UN sponsored the group, Chris became a captain and had his own unit without Jill. A team-up with Leon would be pretty rad.
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[BlueFuji]

The first time you fight those brute zombies whom you have to break their shell with in Chris's campaign...I had little to nothing to kill them with, and apparently your supposed to have a shotgun. Guess I missed it, because I was stuck on those guys running around scavenging for ammo foolishly for a good 10 minutes. While the bad AI barely hit the damn thing.

I loved RE5 because of the upgrades you chose, and certain ammo to get were a great aspect of strategy, 6 just tosses that, and gives you a crapton of ammo for a gun I usually don't use. Leon can get all his ammo back for his lone pistol if you just switch back from Dual....and it still kept giving me pistol ammo. Deborah was pain to defeat, even with the convenient explosive barrels.

Piers, and Helena had potential....but they just got shafted. Atleast in 5 they made Sheva an interesting character for being one that got put to the side so simply. It's understandable she's gone since she's stationed in the BSAA of Africa. She gets a mention...while Jill gets bar none to a small indirect reference from Chris when speaking of his motives for killing Wesker in 5.

See, the aspect of amnesia was understandable, but the drunk aspect from going from that from 5 of where he was just felt somewhat funny to me. Maybe i'm a bad person, but I just couldn't take that part on any serious level. He gets worse when he's chasing Carla as well. Had Piers not followed him? I bet he'd just get close to being one dimensional.

She claimed she had a significant reason for telling Leon...but I never heard it. She claimed he'd be interested, and it would be of great help, and etc. It turns out; It was just her sister who she was trying to save. What the hell is so monumental about that to him? I was glad when Ada brought sense to the table, and shot Deborah in the head while she could, even progressively telling Helena that it was pointless to act like such, and wouldn't do any good. Was her sister the thing she HAD to keep quiet about? Or was it her being the cause of the president dying? Either way, nothing of it made me like her one bit. Even when she had one of the best performances I've heard from Laura Bailey since her Kaine in Nier.

The matter you can look at it as a plot device is true to, but the fact the just try to make it more by her online dialogue just annoyed the heck out of me. What was the point if they wouldn't do ANYTHING with it beyond those scenes, and Jakes nickname for her? The fact they tried to do something with it, and just left it leaves me more disgusted with it.

You actually CAN put it in full screen. However it's like stretching an image beyond where it should, and it just looks terrible. You can go abit lower and it looks slightly better, but it's just as bad. I get why they did it, it's just the fact, that they still could have done it in better framerate, and given it a betten output that makes me upset. I shouldn't expect good things from Capcom, but after how much fun I had in 5? I hoped for better.

I would love to see Claire again, even Barry! Jill had her own game that I entirely loved, I could handle her not being mentioned nonetheless, and i'd like to see what she did after goin blonde, and getting out of dat skin tight suit n heels. Ashley was annoying and daddys little girl character to me, they made Sherry better, and she even references that she had little idea what was going on in your younger days, if they can do that her, then sure I wouldn't mind her coming back.

The game overall in my opinion was the epitome of: Forcing yourself through an interactive Milla Jovovich RE movie. I emphasize the "Forcing" part.
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[Celestial Phoenix]

I'm going to try the new extra modes once they're released. I honestly am still trying to get my money's worth out of this game and I had most fun in those multiplayer modes, but as I mentioned before: I'm not counting toward anything, so I hope they're fun.
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[Skythe]

everything about the game is bad

the ending of leon's campaign made me laugh p hardcore though
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[12/4/2009 10:59:17 PM] thingrue: skythe did you routinely huff paint thinner as a child

[Dice]

I love the game.
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[Taiyz]