Regarding Criticism (UPDATED)

Mani · Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:27 pm Post subject:

And what if someone is just learning how to use the program? Then that really hurts. Sad

Regarding critisism (I still have no idea how to spell that), you should try to be helpful. Just saying awesome won't be all that helpful. And at least LOOK at the artists work, even if you don't like it, at least suggest something that would help.

Oh, and I personally don't feel that giving them 1000000000000000/10 helps. Plus, it hurts me, since people don't really look at my stuff... >.> I'm sure that it hurts other people too. Sad

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About this whole sig thing, I do think it's kinda rude to ask for another sig right away after some one makes it or you. However, I know how they feel and why they don't want to wear the sigs sometimes. That's why I've always made my own sigs. I don't want to hurt others feelings. I make sigs for people, but it really doesn't bother me to much if they don't like it. At least it tells me that I need to improve. This is why i mostly only make sigs that are requested through PMs. There's usually no peoblem with someone not liking my sigs that way. This way it shows that the person requesting has seen my sigs and thinks they're good enough. What would make me mad is if I made a sig for some and they never posted again on the forums. Luckily, that's never happened. That's just my opinion on it, though.
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Fire_Thanatos · Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject:

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SilverWind · Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject:

In my opinion, it's really all but impossible to attach a number or mark on a piece of artwork or fanfiction.

Firstly, given the wide range of experience, style, medium, type of work, scenes depicted, etc, etc, it's virtually impossible to fairly and accurately group and rank them together (and I would say that it should then not be done).

Secondly, these marks are so variable even just within each individual's personal tastes, which can change at any moment in time, that I can't even start to comprehend how variable everyone's tastes are from each other.

Take a look at two pieces of work that both recieve the same mark. Look at how unlike they are. Aside from the obvious point that 'marks' don't offer any constructive advice on how to improve and that low ones hurt the feelings of the artist/writer, the variability of marks can dishearten people who've worked hours and hours on their stuff and recieve a '7/10' while the crude-joke five minute composition in another topic recieves a '100000000000000000000000/10.' ...It's just illogical that such a thing should exist.

Think about it; even if we HAD a solid, conclusive way to rank artwork and writing, the highest point on the scale would likely be professional work--in the most all-compassing view, Da Vincis or Rembrants or Shakespeares. And by that scale, everyone else, everyone here (if I may humbly admit) is condemned to a low mark. This is just as absurd as trying to rank the work of a person who's just been drawing for a few months with that of a person with a radically different style who has been drawing for years.

I'm not asking for a ban on marks or whatever--such a thing would be difficult to enforce, at any rate. However, I think it'd do everyone much good if we all moved away from assessing works of art by assigning some numbers that not only don't have any solid meaning, but also have the potential of hurting the feelings of artists and writers.
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Aku · Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 9480

I never really....liked the number system that much. T_T;; If someone wants to criticize my art, they can say it in words...in school, if I get an 8/10 on a quiz, I freak out, because that equals an 80. And for my standards, that is a sucky grade. T_T;; Same goes for my art. If someone gives you a rating less than 9/10, they should explain it, at the very least...I also must say I shake my head every time I see someone give a mark like 3/10, which I have, to my surprise, seen. It sickened me, because the person who gave it was...to say the least, a bit of a swelled head who tried to make him/herself look better than he/she actually was (anonymous). Not to mention that giganto ratings like 100000000/10 are...useless. They make the artist/writer feel good, I grant them that, but they are rather...pointless. T_T;; It annoys me when I get a marking that's not perfect, and people don't mention why I got that rating...while the marking system is not something I put down entirely, I'd like it if people would back their ratings up for reasons so the artist/writers knows what is wrong with their piece, and how they could improve. >>;; Overall, I prefer written comments free of the numbers, but...that's me. T_T;;
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Cruxis_Crush · Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:21 am Post subject:

*Sorry to barge in*

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It is An Awesome Idea Really.
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Wolfgangh · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 8:13 am Post subject:

Why bother giving the picture a score out of 10? I really don't see the point, I mean it seems pretty logical to me to post why you like it or why you don't like it, and what problems etc are with it. Maybe its just satelite soda rubbing off on me though, but they have one of the best rules there for getting critiques.

Wolfgangh · Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 1:36 pm Post subject:

Good to see my advice being ignored.
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chikori · Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject:

I hate giving scores and ranking. One semester, our professors asked us to give points and ranking to the people in our group. I kind of froze when he handed the paper to me, how the heck was I going to rank my group members? (There were 7 of us.) I didn't want to give myself a 10 and 1st rank, even though I did put in a tremendous amount of hours into the project. (After the project was due, I put in an additional 60+ hours to redo the layout.) However, if I put someone below my rank, did that mean they put in less hours and effort than I did? No, that wasn't true and I sure as hell knew that some of my group members didn't sleep for nights in order to complete the project. People will look at that number (and it was a pure number ranking, there was no place for comment or anything else) and think, "Oh, I guess number 7 really didn't do any work! Number 4 is probably one of those guys who show up every now and then but didn't do much." People don't realise the amount of effort and energy others put into their works, especially after they see the number/grade. If you want to give a number, or a rank, do so with constructive and critical comments. (Not rude, but helpful and constructive comments.) Only give harsh comments if you know this person can handle it. Some people cannot accept strong critiques, and some people LOVE them. So it's best to give comments without being RUDE. There goes my 2 cents. >_>
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Aku · Joined: 05 Jul 2004 Posts: 9480

If I could, I would seriously eradicate the entire rating thing...there's no point and either way, written comments make more impact...
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