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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | I personally never understood that rule.
Why can't we? |
I also don't understand that.
But it is also a rule not to make a duplicate of a thread, so there is a very delicate time-period that you can NOT break a forum rule.
Seriously, Shadowfox, why can't someone reply to a GOOD thread even after a long time? (Not you, personally, I'm just asking in general and you've been here recently)
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| Ziggaway wrote: | | Yume Hanabi wrote: | I personally never understood that rule.
Why can't we? |
I also don't understand that.
But it is also a rule not to make a duplicate of a thread, so there is a very delicate time-period that you can NOT break a forum rule. |
Like in many other places the duplicate thread rule is mostly so news (for example) isn't repeated numerous times over. If say Graces is coming stateside I shouldn't have to be inform of it by twelve different topics no one is enough and one alone will work. As stated, other forums seem to have the same mindset to such things.
Also the time period isn't that gentle when you look at it. Two topics of basically the same nature can't follow up one another but at the same time if the original is long "dead" (I'm talking months, YEARS even) it's okay to recreate it into a brand new topic.
| Quote: | | Seriously, Shadowfox, why can't someone reply to a GOOD thread even after a long time? (Not you, personally, I'm just asking in general and you've been here recently) |
Regardless of it being "good" or not, unless it's a sticky, if the topic has long been stamped dead there is no reason to bring it back up again. It's dead for a reason, be lost of interest or no longer being relevant (a TC doesn't need info on a quest six months after he/she was originally helped).
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So, if a thread interests us, but has been dead for a long time, it's ok to create a similar one?
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| Kuroda wrote: | | Shadowfox wrote: | | Kuroda wrote: | | Anise. (spoiler reasons and I hated her personality) |
Also Tear and Legretta did nothing for me at any point of the plot (not to say I hate them, I just found them boring). |
Yeah, they were boring, but they never did anything to make me hate them... |
ur all stupid , tear and legretta are the best , u just like stupid girls who are always crying like some kinda babies , it's really hard to keep ur feelings for urself u know
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| abysstear wrote: | | ur all stupid , tear and legretta are the best , u just like stupid girls who are always crying like some kinda babies , it's really hard to keep ur feelings for urself u know |
What exactly just happened here? From what I CAN understand, I think you tried to tell them off for not agreeing perfectly with you, I mean, who wouldn't, you're clearly so agreeable, right?
Anyway, I like Tear a lot, she reminds me a lot of my girlfriend, so, it kindof helps. And Legretta was annoying, she was a big hypocrite until the random sidequest that she gave Tear a letter, which our game only ever let us see once, so, not exactly a great person... And she had the potential.
But whatevs, she is clearly amazing for some unexplained reason.
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| abysstear wrote: | | ur all stupid , tear and legretta are the best , u just like stupid girls who are always crying like some kinda babies , it's really hard to keep ur feelings for urself u know |
Yup and being emotional makes one a child or an Emo, I hate this term so much btw.
No if you're talking about who I think you're talking about no Natalia is/was a good character, actually showed emotion, and has more going for her then just her fighting style (Regret is terrible beyond being a gunslinger).
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No one, strangely i can't find anyone to hate in any RPG i have played... maybe because i won't get anything from hating fictional characters?
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1: MOHS!!!I HATE HIM!!! 2: Anise... 3: Nebilim... (for some reason... maybe cuz shes too hard...)
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Out of all the characters, the one I dislike the most is Asch. Like Luke, he suffered from an inferiority complex. However, instead of beating himself up like Luke did, Asch took his self-loathing out on other people. Some may find his over-the-top hostile and rude behavior bad-ass, but I find it grating. Whenever he berated others, he also would often not make sense, since he would frequently contradict his statements. For example, in one scene he screams at Luke for putting himself down. Soon after he does this, he yells at him for being an "inferior, defective Replica." Talk about being unintelligent.
Furthermore, while Asch may have had a rough past, it is not as though he does not have the opportunity to return to Baticul and resume his former life. As we have seen, his parents and Natalia are more than willing to welcome him back with open arms. However, instead of going back to his old life, Asch continues being angsty. That said, I do not feel any empathy for him. In fact, I was happy when he died.
I also find Natalia annoying. She was actually one of my favorite characters in the game prior to her reunion with Asch. While she still sometimes acted spirited and tough after she and Asch were reunited, the times in which she would become weak and needy when she conversed with Asch or he was mentioned in her conversations with the game's other characters far outweigh those occasions. Overall, it bothered me to see a strong woman relinquish her spunk because of the infatuation she had for an asshole.
I do not dislike Luke, but I was displeased with the radical change his character underwent after he destroyed Akzerieuth. Sudden character development like that has always rubbed me the wrong way. I also find Tear boring, but I do not dislike her.
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| fateoffate wrote: | | No one, strangely i can't find anyone to hate in any RPG i have played... maybe because i won't get anything from hating fictional characters? |
This.
Also, it's all right with me if you don't like a character, but bashing him/her is just immature. It's insulting to the character's fans and the creator of that character, and ultimately pointless.
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| Tomoko wrote: | | Out of all the characters, the one I dislike the most is Asch. Like Luke, he suffered from an inferiority complex. However, instead of beating himself up like Luke did, Asch took his self-loathing out on other people. Some may find his over-the-top hostile and rude behavior bad-ass, but I find it grating. Whenever he berated others, he also would often not make sense, since he would frequently contradict his statements. For example, in one scene he screams at Luke for putting himself down. Soon after he does this, he yells at him for being an "inferior, defective Replica." Talk about being unintelligent. Furthermore, while Asch may have had a rough past, it is not as though he does not have the opportunity to return to Baticul and resume his former life. As we have seen, his parents and Natalia are more than willing to welcome him back with open arms. However, instead of going back to his old life, Asch continues being angsty. |
Yay. Someone finally understands.
I also disliked how he was completely RUDE AND ARROGANT to the only person in the world that really wanted to be around him... (Natalia, obv)
| Quote: | | That said, I do not feel any empathy for him. In fact, I was happy when he died. |
I wasn't. Normally, I empathize with people. like you said, and I did with Asch, but that DID NOT justify the way he acted towards ANYONE.
Now, that being said, I think he should've had to live with his bad choices and baggage, because it would have been harder. For him to just up and die seemed too easy. Luke and everyone else have to live with what they had done throughout the game, and Asch, who is less capable and has done WORSE things, gets a get-out-of-jail-free card. He loses all responsibility for everything he's screwed up, without really fixing any of it, when he dies.
And BTW, I whited out your spoilers, but in the future, you should probably do that yourself. Just out of courtesy.
| Quote: | | I also find Natalia annoying. She was actually one of my favorite characters in the game prior to her reunion with Asch. While she still sometimes acted spirited and tough after she and Asch were reunited, the times in which she would become weak and needy when she conversed with Asch or he was mentioned in her conversations with the game's other characters far outweigh those occasions. Overall, it bothered me to see a strong woman relinquish her spunk because of the infatuation she had for an asshole. |
The ONLY point in the game in which she annoying is the VERY first dungeon you get in her in. Everywhere else, her actions are either very valiant, or screwed up yet understandable.
Imagine: the person you love to death goes missing, and then, when they come back, they cannot remember anything about you. What if this happened with someone really close to you, like your mom? And she had just forgotten you? And you were, like, 10? And the next 7 years OF YOUR LIFE is spent dealing with the serious psychological blow, and nurturing the bond again. Then, you find out that the person you've been trying to get close to again ISN'T the same person that you've been missing, and that person STILL REMEMBERS YOU. She went back to being 10 again, and then attempted to catch up on all of the lost memories. And what did Asch do? He BEAT HER INTO THE GROUND! Of course she would lose confidence and really want his recognition after that... And she DOES overcome this, if you'll recall. I think that scene with Jade is one of the most important in the game, not because he slaps her (which really immature people apparently find amusing), but because it symbolized not only Natalia's importance to Jade, but also, a literal wake-up slap for this woman. She is a very strong, capable, powerful, generous, and beautiful woman, and she lost sight of all of this in her regression-depression, thanks to Asch. Jade snaps her back to reality. And just in time.
| Quote: | | I do not dislike Luke, but I was displeased with the radical change his character underwent after he destroyed Akzerieuth. Sudden character development like that has always rubbed me the wrong way. I also find Tear boring, but I do not dislike her. |
Really? You prefer him pre-Akzeriuth, then? That's surprising. He's rude, arrogant, idiotic, immature, narrow-minded, spoiled, and self-centered. That, to me, almost completely encompasses every possible bad characteristic in people. Now, obviously Luke is not EVERY bad thing, he does have good qualities, but when they surface, he becomes embarrassed and represses them... Yay.
As for post-Akzeriuth, I think it was done well. It wasn't that dramatic. He was in denial for QUITE a long time. And it STILL took him a while after his promises to actually follow through. What if you single-handedly caused so much destruction, and EVERYONE you loved and relied on around you was so disgusted that they could no longer stand you long enough to be around you? I'd imagine SOMETHING would change drastically in your life. In fact, most people might become overly depressed, suicidal, etc., so I actually respect Luke for not turning into this.
Also, there are a lot of people that find Tear boring. I'm not sure if that's because they just don't understand her or what, but she is a very complicated character, the antithesis of boring. The only real hurdle is that she isn't openly complicated: she has a TON of inner turmoil and personal problems, but she VERY RARELY allows this to negatively affect others. That is completely respectable. But understanding her problems, especially from an outside perspective, takes serious contemplation and empathy, and a lot of people aren't willing to put that much time into a game. Which makes it hypocritical that they then criticize the game, or the character, for being "boring", because ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING is boring if you don't put any effort into it.
| Silver Halcyon wrote: | | fateoffate wrote: | | No one, strangely i can't find anyone to hate in any RPG i have played... maybe because i won't get anything from hating fictional characters? |
This. |
The problem with this argument: the point of a videogame is not to be ficitonal: characters and stories in videogames are supposed to be based off of real life. A villain in the game needs to be just as evil as truly evil people in this world, otherwise they are not necessarily evil to anyone at all.
And hating a character in a videogame, to me, just epitomizes hating the specifically bad characteristics that they have. So it merely serves to point out more examples and situations in which such things can be present in people, and how I should not act myself.
| Quote: | | Also, it's all right with me if you don't like a character, but bashing him/her is just immature. It's insulting to the character's fans and the creator of that character, and ultimately pointless. |
Again, there's nothing wrong with the characters. I mean, if they are designed unrealistically, yes, then that is stupid, because then they do not do a good job of portraying real-life characters.
But otherwise, complaining about a character's problems is the same as telling someone you know about stuff they do that bothers you: the point is to learn from it. And while the character in the game can't learn from this, the players can. So hating a character is, to me, hating things about them that you would not want to see in other people or yourself. And because you can recognize these negative characteristics in a fictional character, it would be easier to notice in a real person, or yourself. Theoretically, anyway.
And also, what about people who love a character because they have nice abs, or because their hair is cool, and nothing else? I don't think saying anything bad about the character is offensive to those fans, because in reality, their shallow fandom of the character overlooks the depth of the character they supposedly "love", which is ironically actually rude to their "favorite" character in itself. It just seems weird to not want to be offensive to fans, because fanodm doesn't necessarily say anything about the qualities of the character. And usually, fandom is not actually about important qualities, anyway. Or so I've seen. (Hence the negative connotations with fangirling, and the like.)
As for offending the creators... Well, no creator is perfect, and a lot of times, the good character creators will actually use fan's negative feedback as a means to improve upon future characters. So again, I see no harm in being critical... unless, of course, it is just to be petty.
But I'm hoping you don't assume everything critical is petty, because at least what I say is not. I'd imagine your statements are not, either, correct?
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Ziggaway, I think you might be misunderstanding me on character bashing. In my opinion, saying you dislike a character and then giving genuine reasons why you don't like him/her is NOT character bashing. Calling a character a ***hole is not character bashing if you give a good, thought-out reason why he she is an ***hole. That kind of critique is important to a story, for it allows us to analyze the story and actually go below surface level when analyzing characters. It is criticism, but constructive criticism, and as a result it can change things for the better.
Character bashing is a whole different story. Character bashing, by my definition, is blind, thoughtless hatred. Character bashing is screaming your hatred at the top of your lungs, flaming anyone who likes the character, cursing the creators and their families for creating the character, writing stories based around making other characters hurt the character, portraying the character as shallow and stupid when he/she is not, and basically never giving a solid reason for your hatred. It is desctructive criticism, like saying "UR STORY SUX U SUX AND U SHUD DIE."
I know cases of those are rare here on TSF, but I've been unfortunate enough to witness it elsewhere, especially when shipping is involved. I can't bring myself to go near the Kingdom Hearts boards, because there is always a rabid Sora-Riku shipper who bashes Kairi for no other reason than the fact that she likes Sora. There were rabid Cho Chang bashers in the Harry Potter fandom, who sent death threats to the actress playing Cho Chang. That kind of blind hatred is what I was referring to when I was talking about character bashing.
I don't like it when someone says they hate Yuri, but everyone has their own opinions. Those differences in opinion add life to these forums, and the rest of the world. And when they explain why they dislike Yuri, it allows me to reflect on his actions and see deeper into his personality. When you see your favorite character from another's point of view, it really opens your mind.
And I'll agree with you on that blind fandom is as bad as blind hate. It's the basis for many a crazy fangirl... *shudder.* When I like a character, I like them for more than their appearance or sarcasm. For example, I like Yuri because of his inner kindness, the side of himself he often tries to hide but can't help showing anyway. His sword tricks are amazing, and he's not bad-looking, but in the end my whole reason for liking him is his inner nobility, thoughtfulness, and concern for others.
In summary, both love and hate are vital to the health of a story, but too much of either is destructive and ultimately hurtful to the fans who genuinely love a character for his deeper qualities, and to the creators who spent so much time building up a believable character with genuine depth, only to see an insane, foaming-at-the-mouth fangirl/hater come tearing it all down.
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Actually, there is a spoiler warning in the thread's title. Therefore, I fail to see the need for us to white out spoilers.
| Ziggaway wrote: | The ONLY point in the game in which she annoying is the VERY first dungeon you get in her in. Everywhere else, her actions are either very valiant, or screwed up yet understandable.
Imagine: the person you love to death goes missing, and then, when they come back, they cannot remember anything about you. What if this happened with someone really close to you, like your mom? And she had just forgotten you? And you were, like, 10? And the next 7 years OF YOUR LIFE is spent dealing with the serious psychological blow, and nurturing the bond again. Then, you find out that the person you've been trying to get close to again ISN'T the same person that you've been missing, and that person STILL REMEMBERS YOU. She went back to being 10 again, and then attempted to catch up on all of the lost memories. And what did Asch do? He BEAT HER INTO THE GROUND! Of course she would lose confidence and really want his recognition after that... And she DOES overcome this, if you'll recall. I think that scene with Jade is one of the most important in the game, not because he slaps her (which really immature people apparently find amusing), but because it symbolized not only Natalia's importance to Jade, but also, a literal wake-up slap for this woman. She is a very strong, capable, powerful, generous, and beautiful woman, and she lost sight of all of this in her regression-depression, thanks to Asch. Jade snaps her back to reality. |
Personally, I enjoyed Natalia in the dungeon you first get her in. I found her domineering attitude entertaining. However, I can understand why it would irritate you.
The scene in which Jade slapped Natalia signifies her realizing that she had to bear the burden of Asch's death instead of allowing her grief over it to get the better of her in a time of crisis, not necessarily that she was a fool to act as a rug for him over the course of the game.
I understand why Natalia acted the way she did when it came to Asch. However, I am entitled to find her behavior in regard to Asch aggravating. One can understand a person's behavior and still find it annoying.
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Really? You prefer him pre-Akzeriuth, then? That's surprising. He's rude, arrogant, idiotic, immature, narrow-minded, spoiled, and self-centered. That, to me, almost completely encompasses every possible bad characteristic in people. Now, obviously Luke is not EVERY bad thing, he does have good qualities, but when they surface, he becomes embarrassed and represses them... Yay.
As for post-Akzeriuth, I think it was done well. It wasn't that dramatic. He was in denial for QUITE a long time. And it STILL took him a while after his promises to actually follow through. What if you single-handedly caused so much destruction, and EVERYONE you loved and relied on around you was so disgusted that they could no longer stand you long enough to be around you? I'd imagine SOMETHING would change drastically in your life. In fact, most people might become overly depressed, suicidal, etc., so I actually respect Luke for not turning into this. |
Well, Luke did become depressed and even contemplated suicide at one point, though he does overcome this as the game progresses.
I liked LH Luke, since he was a selfish, arrogant jerk who was obnoxious in a way that was humorous. However, I cannot say I prefer him over SH Luke. Just because I did not like Luke's development after he destroyed Akzerieuth does not mean I hate his SH personality. In fact, I grew to like SH Luke by the time the game ended, since he had learned to overcome his inner turmoil and matured a great deal as a person in a way that I was satisfied with. Overall, I like both LH Luke and SH Luke equally.
The reason I was not fond of Luke's development after he destroyed Akzerieuth is because I am a person who prefers character development to be gradually built up over the course of a story as opposed to it happening suddenly. I understand Luke's change after he destroyed Akzerieuth, but did not enjoy it. However, I liked the changes he underwent after his sudden change (many fail to realize that his character development does not end with his hair cut scene), since they were done at steadier paces.
| Ziggaway wrote: | | Also, there are a lot of people that find Tear boring. I'm not sure if that's because they just don't understand her or what, but she is a very complicated character, the antithesis of boring. The only real hurdle is that she isn't openly complicated: she has a TON of inner turmoil and personal problems, but she VERY RARELY allows this to negatively affect others. That is completely respectable. But understanding her problems, especially from an outside perspective, takes serious contemplation and empathy, and a lot of people aren't willing to put that much time into a game. Which makes it hypocritical that they then criticize the game, or the character, for being "boring", because ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING is boring if you don't put any effort into it. |
I find Tear boring because I have seen characters like her written before, but better (kind of like how I feel about Raven from ToV). She just fails to capture my interest. That said, do not assume I have not taken the time to understand her character. I am someone who always works to analyze prominent characters in the stories I engage in.
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| Silver Halcyon wrote: | Ziggaway, I think you might be misunderstanding me on character bashing. In my opinion, saying you dislike a character and then giving genuine reasons why you don't like him/her is NOT character bashing. Calling a character a ***hole is not character bashing if you give a good, thought-out reason why he she is an ***hole. That kind of critique is important to a story, for it allows us to analyze the story and actually go below surface level when analyzing characters. It is criticism, but constructive criticism, and as a result it can change things for the better.
Character bashing is a whole different story. Character bashing, by my definition, is blind, thoughtless hatred. Character bashing is screaming your hatred at the top of your lungs, flaming anyone who likes the character, cursing the creators and their families for creating the character, writing stories based around making other characters hurt the character, portraying the character as shallow and stupid when he/she is not, and basically never giving a solid reason for your hatred. It is desctructive criticism, like saying "UR STORY SUX U SUX AND U SHUD DIE."
I know cases of those are rare here on TSF, but I've been unfortunate enough to witness it elsewhere, especially when shipping is involved. I can't bring myself to go near the Kingdom Hearts boards, because there is always a rabid Sora-Riku shipper who bashes Kairi for no other reason than the fact that she likes Sora. There were rabid Cho Chang bashers in the Harry Potter fandom, who sent death threats to the actress playing Cho Chang. That kind of blind hatred is what I was referring to when I was talking about character bashing.
I don't like it when someone says they hate Yuri, but everyone has their own opinions. Those differences in opinion add life to these forums, and the rest of the world. And when they explain why they dislike Yuri, it allows me to reflect on his actions and see deeper into his personality. When you see your favorite character from another's point of view, it really opens your mind. |
Yah, I didn't get this from your previous post.
And I don't usually even consider the extreme cases... like the death threats at Cho Chang's actress. That is just stupid and terrifying...
| Quote: | | And I'll agree with you on that blind fandom is as bad as blind hate. It's the basis for many a crazy fangirl... *shudder.* When I like a character, I like them for more than their appearance or sarcasm. For example, I like Yuri because of his inner kindness, the side of himself he often tries to hide but can't help showing anyway. His sword tricks are amazing, and he's not bad-looking, but in the end my whole reason for liking him is his inner nobility, thoughtfulness, and concern for others. |
And fans like that seem to make up a large population of fans in general, so I try not to base anything significant off of fans... ever.
| Quote: | | In summary, both love and hate are vital to the health of a story, but too much of either is destructive and ultimately hurtful to the fans who genuinely love a character for his deeper qualities, and to the creators who spent so much time building up a believable character with genuine depth, only to see an insane, foaming-at-the-mouth fangirl/hater come tearing it all down. |
Yes, but again, extreme cases. Not even worth mentioning, because the likelihood that a comment from either of us will actually do anything for those fans is abysmally low...
| Tomoko wrote: | | Actually, there is a spoiler warning in the thread's title. Therefore, I fail to see the need for us to white out spoilers. |
| Quote: | | In my previous post, I specifically wrote: | | And BTW, I whited out your spoilers, but in the future, you should probably do that yourself. Just out of courtesy. |
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I never said out of need... Because the "possible spoilers" in the title is very apparent.
However, especially since the title's alert is vague at best, and because people sometimes skip over it, I said out of courtesy because that IS the reason.
| Quote: | | Personally, I enjoyed Natalia in the dungeon you first get her in. I found her domineering attitude entertaining. However, I can understand why it would irritate you. |
Yah... Anyone I come across in real life even remotely like she was then, either cold shoulder or cold fury. They would be obnoxious...
| Quote: | | The scene in which Jade slapped Natalia signifies her realizing that she had to bear the burden of Asch's death instead of allowing her grief over it to get the better of her in a time of crisis, not necessarily that she was a fool to act as a rug for him over the course of the game. |
But how could she do that unless she first overcomes ALL of the problems she had/has with Asch to begin with? She COULDN'T deal with Asch's death BECAUSE she felt as if she had life-altering unfinished business with him. Which would have been feeling appreciated and acknowledged by him, and fully reuniting them again. All the previous problems she had had were now things of the past, problems she did not resolve and did not have closure with, AND now she ALSO has to deal with the fact the he was legitimately taken away from her, FOREVER, this time. And what Jade does forces her to swallow all of these things, and ACTUALLY deal with them, as opposed to hoping/wishing Asch would.
| Quote: | | I understand why Natalia acted the way she did when it came to Asch. However, I am entitled to find her behavior in regard to Asch aggravating. One can understand a person's behavior and still find it annoying. |
Yes... but, if you can empathize AND understand where a person's actions are coming from, that generally means you would act fairly similarly... Which would make you a hypocrite, because you hopefully wouldn't be annoyed with yourself for acting like that, so being annoyed at anyone else when they are doing that... wouldn't really make sense.
| Quote: | | Well, Luke did become depressed and even contemplated suicide at one point, though he does overcome this as the game progresses. |
He did? As a DIRECT result from Akzeriuth? After 10 playthroughs with various people and viewpoints, this still is not apparent to me. Yes, the Tower of Rem could KINDOF be loped into this, but... that wasn't really anything similar at all. That was selfless and responsible, even if it was hasty. Not the same. Other than that, I don't see it.
| Quote: | | I liked LH Luke, since he was a selfish, arrogant jerk who was obnoxious in a way that was humorous. However, I cannot say I prefer him over SH Luke. Just because I did not like Luke's development after he destroyed Akzerieuth does not mean I hate his SH personality. In fact, I grew to like SH Luke by the time the game ended, since he had learned to overcome his inner turmoil and matured a great deal as a person in a way that I was satisfied with. Overall, I like both LH Luke and SH Luke equally. |
Again, if anyone even remotely similar to that were around me, let's just say I would be envious of Guy's restraint...
I just know I would never want to be on the receiving end of anything as dumb and misguided as Luke when his hair was still long. So laughing at someone else being in that situation I wouldn't want to be in... seems arrogant and rude, to me.
| Quote: | | The reason I was not fond of Luke's development after he destroyed Akzerieuth is because I am a person who prefers character development to be gradually built up over the course of a story as opposed to it happening suddenly. I understand Luke's change after he destroyed Akzerieuth, but did not enjoy it. However, I liked the changes he underwent after his sudden change (many fail to realize that his character development does not end with his hair cut scene), since they were done at steadier paces. |
Wait... what? Either his character development took a long time... or it didn't. There aren't really sections. There are steps, but... when he cut his hair, there was not drastic change other than the fact that he realized the bad things about himself and decided to act on the good things. And unsuccessfully. Like you just said, his actual character development was over the entire game.
| Quote: | | I find Tear boring because I have seen characters like her written before, but better (kind of like how I feel about Raven from ToV). She just fails to capture my interest. That said, do not assume I have not taken the time to understand her character. I am someone who always works to analyze prominent characters in the stories I engage in. |
I have also seen similar characters. Although I'm not entirely sure what about Tear was done worse than other characters like her, other than the lack of viable expressions/body language, which should be understandable.
And I actually never thought that. What I said was that most people don't like her because they don't take the time. Whether or not you do/did, I had no idea. From generalization, I could have assumed, but I did say most, specifically because there are some who dislike her for other reasons.
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