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Saki-chan

Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 233 Location: I'm not quite sure, actually......
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: Name Meanings |
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I was wondering if anyone knew where some of the names in the game come from. I was very surprised when I saw a reference to someone named Fabre in an essay I was reading for my English class, and I checked Wikipedia, which had quite a list of Fabres (personally, I'm leaning towards Cindy Fabre, Miss France of 2005 ). Then there's Lorelei; I was shocked to hear a deep male voice portraying Lorelei, because in German myth, Lorelei was a beautiful woman similar to the Greek siren. Nebilim's name is probably from the Nephilim, a race of giants that were the offspring of fallen angels. But I don't really have any clue as to the origins of anyone else's name.
And as for the place names, if anyone didn't know, a lot of them come from the Kabbalah. Several of the parts of the sephiroth described in the Kabbalah are used as place names in ToA: Keterburg, Saint Binah, Grand Chokma, Daath, Hod, and Malkuth all came from there. There's also the Qliphoth, or Tree of Death. |
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Angel of Darkness

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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't know anything special about the name origins, but I just wanted to say that I also was shocked to no end when Lorelei's voice was male.. It just seems so wrong to me. _________________ Ava pic by me.
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Lunar Eclipse Administrator

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 21371 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Note, some spoilers ahead . . .
Luke: From Lucian. Means light, born at daybreak.
fon: A simultaneous reference to fonons and the German preposition "von" ("of").
Fabre: French surname. I haven't been able to confirm this yet, but I feel like this must somehow derive from the word "flame". If this is the case, then his entire name could be taken as meaning "light of the sacred flame", a reference to the meaning of his first name in ancient Ispanian.
Tear: From the English word "tear". Likely references the tears she sheds in the ending.
Grants: Derived from Norman French, meaning "grand" or "great". Perhaps a reference to the Grand Fonic Hymn, but that's a stretch, I think.
Jade: A green stone. Symbolizes royalty, justice, and wisdom. Jade certainly is wise, I suppose.
Curtiss: Means "courteous". Perhaps this is a reference to the way he acts. He's always somewhat courteous and cool, but he's being snide and sarcastic beneath it all.
Anise: Anise is a type of herb. Japanese star anise is extremely toxic albeit beautiful, so this is probably telling of Anise's personality, particularly of her in-battle duality (i.e. she looks sweet when Luke and Jade are in the party, but when they're out, she becomes "toxic" and adds "I'll beat you to death, you bastards!" to her Mystic Arte cry).
Tatlin: I really have no idea on this one.
Natalia: Means "Christmas child". Perhaps references the fact that she was a gift to the king.
Luzu: Again, no idea.
Kimlasca-Lanvaldear: The kingdom she governs.
Guy: He's a guy, and he's afraid of girls. Simple as that.
Cecil: Means "dim-sighted". Not sure of the reason for this either.
Asch: Refers to "ash". He is the "Ashes of the Sacred Flame". Again, if fon Fabre means "of the Sacred Flame", then this is an even better match. _________________
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Sunny

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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Angel of Darkness wrote: | | I don't know anything special about the name origins, but I just wanted to say that I also was shocked to no end when Lorelei's voice was male.. It just seems so wrong to me. |
What's wrong with Lorelei's voice being a guy? It'd be messed up if YULIA's voice was messed up instead. <_<
Wow, that's a lot of name origins. I love how Namco does that type of stuff. _________________ Support XSEED | Listen to Falcom music | Do life the right way
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Jade_Curtiss

Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Grand Chokma's Cybercafe
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm, so many interesting references... it's indeed nice how Namco actually does some research while deciding the names of their characters.
Even though Hod was much likely taken from the Kabbahlah's Sephiroth, it's interesting how part of the legend about the Nordic God Hod fits Auldrant's Hod. The last line of that article, more specifically.. intriguing coincidence? |
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Switch Hitter

Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 4099
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking Luzu comes from "luz," which is "light" in a few languages. Kinda corresponds with Luke (or perhaps more so with the original Luke, Asch), though that might be wrong. (On a side-note, every time I hear the name Noble Roar, it reminds me of Radiant Howl since they're similar in name, too...)
I've been thinking they got Guy off of gynophobia. First syllable can be pronounced as "guy," but this could actually just be a coincidence since Guy's a real name. |
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Saki-chan

Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Posts: 233 Location: I'm not quite sure, actually......
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | ...(she looks sweet when Luke and Jade are in the party, but when they're out, she becomes "toxic" and adds "I'll beat you to death, you bastards!" to her Mystic Arte cry). |
She does?! I'll have to try that out when I get around to replaying the game...
| Quote: | | Asch: Refers to "ash". He is the "Ashes of the Sacred Flame". Again, if fon Fabre means "of the Sacred Flame", then this is an even better match. |
Ah, that's true. And here I thought he was just being emo.
| Quote: | | Even though Hod was much likely taken from the Kabbahlah's Sephiroth, it's interesting how part of the legend about the Nordic God Hod fits Auldrant's Hod. The last line of that article, more specifically.. intriguing coincidence? |
Ooh, very interesting.
This whole thread's very interesting. I love this kind of stuff. <3 |
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Conn

Joined: 13 May 2005 Posts: 19375 Location: Snowy climes of Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | Fabre: French surname. I haven't been able to confirm this yet, but I feel like this must somehow derive from the word "flame". If this is the case, then his entire name could be taken as meaning "light of the sacred flame", a reference to the meaning of his first name in ancient Ispanian. |
I'm not sure if Fabre is a French word or not, but it strikes me as a shortened form of 'fabrication'
[e] Also, if 'fabre' is a French word, it would have to be a verb.. so it can't mean 'flame'. _________________
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Cerathe

Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 12
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Tatlin: I really have no idea on this one.
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I've been searching around, and all I found was a sculptor named Vladimir Tatlin. It says his sculpures were very abstract, but I'm seeing no relation to Anise on that one. _________________
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Sunny

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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps because she uses Tokunaga...but that's far fetched since Tokunaga is moving and sculptures aren't. ^__^;
| Quote: | | She does?! I'll have to try that out when I get around to replaying the game... |
Without Jade or Luke in the party. But IMO: her voice acting is... @_@; _________________ Support XSEED | Listen to Falcom music | Do life the right way
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Smurf

Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 4695 Location: Pending
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| Saki-chan wrote: | | Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | ...(she looks sweet when Luke and Jade are in the party, but when they're out, she becomes "toxic" and adds "I'll beat you to death, you bastards!" to her Mystic Arte cry). |
She does?! I'll have to try that out when I get around to replaying the game... |
The quote is, "I'll kill you bastards!" The earliest you find this out is when Ion tells you Anise screamed this while protecting him.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Asch: Refers to "ash". He is the "Ashes of the Sacred Flame". Again, if fon Fabre means "of the Sacred Flame", then this is an even better match. |
Ah, that's true. And here I thought he was just being emo. |
He's not emo. He just has a stick up his butt... _________________
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JCMS

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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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"Guy" is also a french common first name (well, they stopped naming their childs like this from 1975+ tought), maybe relation with fabre... _________________
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Cerathe

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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:34 am Post subject: |
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I've been searching around for 'Luzu', but one of the first things that came up was Natalia. (Well that's promising. )
But apparently in Swahili, it's a suffix meaning be broke, or be on the rocks.
I can't think of anything for it, but I might just be spacing out. _________________
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Lunar Eclipse Administrator

Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 21371 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Conn wrote: | | [e] Also, if 'fabre' is a French word, it would have to be a verb.. so it can't mean 'flame'. |
I'm not saying it's a French word since it's not, as far as I know. I'm saying that it's a French surname which could be derived from any number of sources (Old French, Latin, etc.). Over time the form may have changed as well. _________________
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Miyuki

Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 950 Location: Underground
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Name Meanings |
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| Saki-chan wrote: | | And as for the place names, if anyone didn't know, a lot of them come from the Kabbalah. Several of the parts of the sephiroth described in the Kabbalah are used as place names in ToA: Keterburg, Saint Binah, Grand Chokma, Daath, Hod, and Malkuth all came from there. There's also the Qliphoth, or Tree of Death. |
Interesting enough, if you do a Qliphoth search on JP wiki, or any JP sites for that matter, you end up with even more city names.
Source & source.
バチカル - bachikaru - Baticul
シェリダー - sherida- - Sheridan
アクゼリュス - akuzeryusu - Akezeriuth
カイツール - kaitsu-ru - Kaitzur
キムラヌート - kimuranu-to - supsecting this to be Kimulasca/Kimlasca |
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