Zelos Wilder: an in-depth biography (SPOILERS)

sistaofpeace1 · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:53 pm Post subject:

No problem, LadyofSpades Wink

The scene definitely explains a lot, so it would be interesting to read about how Zelos decided whether or not to take up on Kratos' offer Wink

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Harith the Fallen · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject:

Finally someone else who thinks Zelos is awesome and looks past his perversness. Thank you. Zelos is my favorite character, when I saw his Flanoir scene I felt bad for him. I know people who are like him, making jokes to hide themselves.
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Lonewulf123 · Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:

Very good biography, it help me understand Zelos alot more....
By any chance are there any biographies like this for other characters?
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Zelos_the_Wicked · Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 57 Location: California

Hey, since you seem to know lots...Is either of Zelos' paths considered canon in the story? Or which one is more likely? Does he betray you and die, or fakes betrayal and lives? Which one of his paths fits best with the story?

klashikari · Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 52

i think both paths are eligible as "true story"; although you get different informations depending of the path.

there is, however, a global truth : Zelos was a traitor from the very beginning, a triple agent.
but, like LadyofSpades wrote on the bio, Zelos begun to like his "companions"

althought he is a traitor, and leaking information to the cruxis and the renegades, he really acted as an ally.

the path you choose just determine if he will really finalize Kratos' Plan : find the aionis to finally craft the eternal ring.
the little scene with him before meeting the doctor proves he was already in contact with kratos, and he has to choose wethever he will help or continue his own path (not really a traitor, but his own side)

Normal path : he changed his mind somehow (he did before they enter in the tower of salvation, according his scene with kratos at altessa's house).
but he keep going deceiving people (lloyd's party and cruxis).
giving colette and betraying lloyd will ultimately prove to yggdrassil that Zelos was truly loyal to him, so he would be able to sneak around and seek for the aionis.

Kratos path : although he was given the possibility to help Lloyd, Zelos doesn't accept kratos' proposition and will continue his own plan.
whetever his main reason to fight lloyd's party is kinda blur...
Ending his life, permitting Seles to be the new chosen? Ending his life, because he was fed up of his status, lies from the society?
this is not really possible to determine, since, if you let zelos beat you, there is no "redemption" and all : Game Over, Lloyd and his friends are really dead.
why would zelos kill his friends ? because he was really that interested to be freed from his chosen status and giving it to seles?
nothing can be sure, because when you defeat Zelos, he sounds like "things should be like it, i have what i deserved and wanted", no anger and such towards lloyd, and he is helping them before passing away.

sheenafujibayshi2233 · Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 398 Location: Places...

thanks so much ladyofspades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

in my first playthrough, i overlooked zelos waaaaaaay too much. i knew about the flanoir scene from my brother, and i decided to kill him. (after almost no thought at all)

but then i realized that zelos is like the coolest character! he is so perverted, but so sweet! in my opinion, he is the sweetest tales character, besides colette, who's voice is just dripping with it... which makes me want to choke her... lmao just kidding

Thank you so much, ladyofspades!!!!!!

(and nice avatar!)
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Zelos_the_Wicked · Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 57 Location: California

I dunno...I'd think only one of those two paths would be canon. It really does make more sense that Kratos would end up hurt after his battle with Lloyd, though. Plus, come on, Zelos is in the friggin cover! He has lots of scenes, and extra missions after you get the Derris Emblem!

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Larkos Yggdrasill · Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:34 am Post subject:

Nice biography LadyofSpades, you made a nice point through those words, specially when Zelos is, in my opinion, the most discriminated character in the game (I mean in Lloyd´s group).
It is true that the game leaves many doubts about Zelos´s TRUE intentions in many stages from the game, but his plans are known if you choose his path.
First of all, while travelling with Lloyd´s group, as LadyofSpades said, he was starting to like his current group, although we can see in many scenes that whenever he jokes around, everyone shut him up in a bad mood. Anyway, whatever he felt back there, he was leaking information to the renegades as well to cruxis. Little by little, he starts realizing what he has been doing, and he decides to correct it, but for that he had to act as the traitor of Lloyd´s group, to betray Cruxis as well.
Now, what happens is that if you choose his path, his true intentions are met as "a plan to get Aionis for Lloyd", a plan led and thought by Kratos, it would seem. But if you choose Kratos, Zelos stays behind to fight Lloyd... and be met with death, just as he wanted to for so long... Although he tells Lloyd about Collete´s location, about his intetions and reasons of wanting to die, and he also left the "transporter" opened for them.

Well... Zelos´s story is really a big deal, if you really care about the game´s several character stories, and feelings shown in the game. Zelos is a big example of those who feel their life has no value, felling of emptiness, and unworthy efforts and choices made in the life...

P.D: Zelos´s sidequests are aviable after the flanoir scene (or at least most of them).
P.D.2: how can you put those... quotes??.... like "Larkos Yggdrassil said: blah blah blah..."... U^^
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klashikari · Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 52

the "quote" button at the top right of each post...

the only thing which cannot be really explained is : the reason why zelos would kill Lloyd's party though

Larkos Yggdrasill · Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject:

Yeah... that cannot be explained by facts, but we can surely make some ideas.... such as like Zelos was testing Lloyd´s group.... without holding back like Kratos does... i think that... he thought that, if he wanted to die, he would die by the hands of their only true friends...
There can be many other ideas as well, but im sort of lazy now, and i dont want to write much more U^^....

Edited: Thanks for the quote thing, I think i realized a little more how to use it U^^.
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Zelos_the_Wicked · Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 57 Location: California

Other games give more than one path, and only one of the paths is known as Canon. Like Metal Gear Solid, for example. Or like the Castlevania games. A game can let you choose, but it still has its Canon on what the creator(s) prefers.

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Dark Seraphim · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 110 Location: England

Thats really good. I think Zelos is one of the characters that is locked in termoil for most of the game, this picture makes that clear (It's just so good lol)

http://www.rpg-o-mania.de/gallery/tales_of_symphonia/tos-AngelZelos.jpg

(Didn't do the pic...wish i did)

I think it shows how he really never wanted the status of chosen, and was scared of becoming an angel. But, what makes me think is. If he was going to sacrifice himself in his duties as chosen and save the world in the process. Why give up and fight your own freinds and die for almost nothing? It doesn't make much sense to me.
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