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boogilishus
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| Charlie wrote: | | I think it's too easy to be anti-war just because it's the popular thing to say. Obviously, war isn't a good thing, but unless if you really pay close attention and study the current situation, I think there are circumstances and consequences that require conflict and war. |
Its "easy" to be anti-war because most people think about other people and there are a few circumstances that really needs war to be resolve. Another thing war can bring is terrorist....might be hard to believe its true but ive watch a bit about it in Nova, i think. Its when the generation of people that survives the war and when they have children and their children ask of their poverty and other issues the parents will tell them about the war, thus making them feel vengeful.... |
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Charlie
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Obviously there has to be losers in war. Would you rather the US not respond to 9/11 and just let things pass? And isn't that what they did with all those pre-9/11 warnings? It's not like you can invite Al-Qaeda over for a cup of tea and talk things over.
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Colette Brune
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Charlie wrote: In Canada where terrorists come from. Just shut up !  Canada has N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with your F**king terrorists ! It's because of YOUR government ! All that George Bush wanted was to get rid of Saddam ! Actually, i'm begginning to think that this was his only promise to his very arrogant people. Like you, Charlie. It's not because of Canada that your twin towers got burnt to the ground you know. You, Americans, (with a big A of course  ) ARE the ones who're always goin': ''Ah'm Amaerican, an' ah'm prouad uv it''. And you're making many enemies because of this arrogance you should know.
It's because your governement just like to make wars. And you call that feedom ? my ar$e ! You are F-O-R-C-E-D to do army service when you turn 18 ! And it's also because you act like you're the protectors of the universe and think that America is the only continent on this world that you're getting terrorists ! Now, i'm NOT going to say the worst stuff about some of you Americans, cause SOME of you, just can't stand to hear the truth about themselves. Now then, that i cleared this total $hit about your best allies, i'm gonna go sing America's National Anthem, and also, God bless America ! And don't you ever forget it !
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boogilishus
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Charlie wrote: | | Obviously there has to be losers in war. Would you rather the US not respond to 9/11 and just let things pass? And isn't that what they did with all those pre-9/11 warnings? It's not like you can invite Al-Qaeda over for a cup of tea and talk things over. |
like i said i think there a few cases that really needed war to be resolved. The Iraq thing just makes me think about what ifs and things like that. and my teacher back then in Guam said that if Al Gore won the economy will rise and if Bush won there will be war. since it already happened, it makes me think about what would've happened if Al Gore own. |
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caramelpopcorn
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Gosh, Colette, Charlie might've been just making a joke about the Canadian thing (he's a Canadian himself, I think).
Sometimes it's weird that we (America) play world police, but we've got the strongest military and the most resources in the world. (Sure, sounds arrogant, but we do.) People find it heroic in stories, movies, or even video games when the main guy sticks up for someone who's been picked on, because he's strong enough to take on the bad guys. But when America tries to stick up for itself and for a country that's been oppressed for so long against someone who's just a big tyrannical bully, a lot of people get so mad.
I don't think Al Gore would've done much in this situation. We'd have a great economy, sure, but everyone would live just live in fear and paranoia that we'd be attacked. o_O
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Krog
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Us Americans are arrogant though.
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caramelpopcorn
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| The Kroganator wrote: | | Us Americans are arrogant though. |
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. ^^0 And I'm kinda ashamed of it, too, that Americans can be so ungrateful. We could be starving in some third world country hut. A lot of people don't realize what they've got. Any American with a roof over their head, clothes on their back, and food in the refrigerator is richer than over 95% of the world.
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Morwen Laicoriel
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| Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Some Americans ARE arrogant, but I don't think we should stereotypicalize everyone here in the USA as arrogant. There are some really good people here, as well. (And the same is true for Japan, and Canada, and all countries. You've got your bad apples, you've got the good apples. Unfortuently, the bad apples are generally the ones that get most of the antention in normal everyday life.)
It is frusterating, though...sometimes Americans seem to think that they don't need anyone's help. And I don't agree with that, I think we all need help from time to time, if not almost all the time.
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Swordsman
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| i personally think that bush is an imperialist and that he just wants to control everything according to his will... ok i do agree that action had to be taken against 9/11 (although it didn't affect me too much)... but let's face it... we've been overseas for like 2-3 years... they don't want us there, we don't want to be there, and we've already captured saddam... i say we should just withdraw our forces instead of adding fuel to the fire... the more wood you throw into it, the more the fire will burn (the more troops we send, the more hatred and death will occur)... you know... several philosophers have stated that the world will end in 2012 in like december... according to the Mayan Calender (which was only a few seconds off of ours)... and in all honesty... all it takes is the wrong course of action and somebody fires a nuke and the whole world is demolished. |
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Charlie
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| Swordsman wrote: | | i say we should just withdraw our forces instead of adding fuel to the fire... the more wood you throw into it, the more the fire will burn |
I don't agree with withdrawing while the country is still very unstable. I think there's a responsiblity for all countries that took part in the war to give their aid to rebuild the country. That's not an easy task and it takes time and effort.
| Colette Brunel wrote: | | Just shut up ! Canada has N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with your F**king terrorists ! It's because of YOUR government ! |
Well, I'm Canadian and it's on the news. Reports about how the terrorists go through Canada to the US. You have to admit that our security is very low. It's great that we're the peaceful country in the north, but you never know when we'll be attacked. It happened to Spain.
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Colette Brune
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didn't know u were Canadian... when you said that, it sounded so much like a thing an American would say
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Hero of courage
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| Charlie wrote: | | Emral wrote: | | in Canada where there is no war |
In Canada where the terrorists comes from... |
Charlie, that was an unwanted comment, I wish that you take it back. Canada is far from a terrorst's country and guess what? Americans got fooled by terrorists as well. Sure, they might have used our planes to get to U.S., but who was gullible enough to get their planes taken over? You are not any better than us in any way. That's why I dislike going anywhere near United States, so many people are so bitter about us Canadians while we still welcome them with open arms.
As for the draft, if I was in that situation, there is no way I'd get selected. Why? I suffer from heavy myopia, astigmatism and colour blindness, my vision is so bad that with a weapon in hands, I would be a treath to my allies. Second-wise, I refuse to shoot anyone, that would completely destroy me emotionally. Heck, I can't even go hunting or fishing because I feel bad for the animals (And humans are animals as well in my oppinion). A draft is a supreme sign of of disrespect for the ones who elected him. If Americans ever elect him again (Because now you know what disasters he is capable of), they will lower quite a bit in my esteem. I wouldn't like being treating like a simple war tool, like a pawn in a chess game, which you send up front to defend your king (I'm reffering to the soldiers defending the president in this metaphor). What is the use of following a leader, which will only send you to your death? I say you destitute him and throw him off the streets like the tyrant he is.
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Krog
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Well Charlie is Canadian and us americans can't get to mad at Bush for his choices since we elected him. I would have trouble killing people(like I can't watch hunting shows cause i feel bad)but if I and more people were going to be killed,I wouldnt put down my gun.Also you be killing that person in a just way.(dont take me as a pro-killing person)
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Charlie
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| Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Hero_of_Courage wrote: | | Charlie, that was an unwanted comment, I wish that you take it back. Canada is far from a terrorst's country and guess what? Americans got fooled by terrorists as well. Sure, they might have used our planes to get to U.S., but who was gullible enough to get their planes taken over? You are not any better than us in any way. |
Just because Canada's not big on war and our military power is embarrassingly small and underequiped, doesn't mean Canada's immune to terrorists. I don't even know where the Canadian anti-terror budget went. I think they setup a few emergency phone stations or something. *shrug* If the terrorists can slip through Canada to the US and cause something as horrorific as 9/11, I think Canada should take up some responsiblity as well. The war isn't simply US vs Terrorists, it involves Western countries as well. I find it amusing how people assume I'm American. I think Canadians really should pay attention to the political issues at hand. Our Federal Election is this month.
| Hero_of_Courage wrote: | | What is the use of following a leader, which will only send you to your death? I say you destitute him and throw him off the streets like the tyrant he is. |
What use is following a leader that allows his people to be attacked and does nothing of it? Or would you prefer the US to nuke all of the Middle East? That way, the terrorists would either be vaporized or suffer from nuclear poisoning and US soldiers wouldn't have to be deployed.
BTW, Fahrenheit 9/11 opens two weeks from now! I'm so excited! 
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Hero of courage
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The thing is that they are blaming an entire country for the actions of a few, this is not acceptable.
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