GASPEH. Real-time/turn based combat. Equals in brain matter?

[Fizzeh]

well, it just hit me now, but does turn-based
combat require more thinking and planning on your part
than real-time combat?
hmmm....-thinks-

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[caramelpopcorn]

I voted for "It varies". Every game is unique, and sometimes two turn-based battle systems can be completely different.

The Tales' series real-time battle system requires some planning and customization. You have to choose which character you will control, and the three other characters in your team so you have a balanced variety, or whatever fighting style you prefer. You have to configure the AI settings and set your skills to the B button. You also have to decide which spells/skills you'll turn off for the AI, and arrange a battle formation. You have to set up your U-attack list. And of course you have to wear the right equipment. A lot of thought and preparation beforehand will definitely make your battle easier for you.

[trowabartan]

Both require a lot of preperation strategy before battles but I generally think and plan a lot more in turn based. That's because of my style. I like to try and take out the enemy as quick as possible while not taking any damage. In real time console rpgs this not always but usually means rushing the opponent and keeping them pinned and unable to act until they die. In turn based I have to plan out the order of my attacks in order to accomplish this.
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[Emral]

It varies becasue Turn-based can have it's twitsts, and flips, and so can Real-time...
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[Apocalypse]

My vote goes for turn-based. I like both action and traditional (turn-based) Rpgs. When I feel like playing a game more aimed at strategy; I would pick up a traditional Rpg rather than action.

Traditional Rpgs have greater strategy/tactical enforcement because there are many things for you to consider before making a choice for your next action. For instance... before you attack; you might want to consider any elemental/weapon weaknesses, or maybe you want to cure your status-ailment, or possibly you want to defend against an oncoming attack. These make turn-based have better strategic value because they make you think before you go out and do something. Action requires what the name suggests... action. There is no time for you to think about your next move... and if you do; prepare to die.
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[Charlie]

I'll go for the obvious turn-based. In all Action RPG's, all I ever do is rush the enemy and mashing the attack button. The only time that differs is that if I can jump, I'll jump in and then keep mashing the attack button. I win 90% of all confrontations that way. The other 10% requires remembering boss patterns and playing defensively.
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[Cyllya]

It varies, of course. A lot of real-time games are just "mash the attack button" but the people who approach Tales that way are the ones who complain about Tales being really, really hard.

Here are some things you need to think about in Tales games:

About your characters
-What buttons other than A button do. In all these E3 impressions I've been reading lately, once the person figured out that A = Slash, they didn't bother with finding out what all the other buttons do! There's a lot more to the battle system than just slash-slash-slash.
-Strengths/Weakness of your weapons. Lloyds swords have two stats--slash and stab. If you're using a weapon with a high stab, you should stab more often right? You need to consider the range of the weapon. You need to consider the elemental property of the weapon.
-How are your other characters backing you up?
-Who should use that item that you need to have used?
-how smoothly your characters can go from one kind of attack to another
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About your enemies
-the size of the enemy. Can you knock it into the air or can you knock it back? Or is it just a solid WALL? Could another enemy be hiding behind it? If it's a very tiny ground-going enemy, you probably don't want to do a jump attack on it because you'll probably miss!
-the speed of the enemy. How it moves around, how quickly it attacks, how quickly it recovers after it makes an attack, how quickly it recovers after it receives an attack.
-does it fly?
-How does it attack? Swing it's weapon/claw? Suddenly charge/dive at you? Spin? Attack from a distance?
-Is it good at tossing you into the air? (See the first point about your characters)
-What are its elemental strengths and weaknesses
-Is it too your advantage to jump over it? It's always better to attack from behind if possible, but jumping over might not work because a) the enemy has good reflexes and will turn around quickly to attack YOU from behind as you land, or b) it attacks in such away that it hits everything around it and will hit you as you land, or c) it's too big to jump over.
-Does it attack in such away that jumping is a good way to dodge? (Good to jump when something tries to stab you with a sword, but not when something is swinging its weapon downward at you.)
-can you judge its next actions by what it's doing now? You can usually tell when something is about to cast a spell.

Fortuneately, much of that becomes second-nature before long. But it's still not A, A, A, A, A, A for the whole battle.
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[trowabartan]

Those are good points though most of that cyllya I do without thinking(working in the enemies size, speed, and attacks) and/or is also apart of turn based strategy directly or in another form(elemental properties, equipment properties, how the other charachters are working with the main, who should use the needed item, ect..)

Though perhaps it will be different in ToS and SO3. I'm not so sure on any new things(I've purposely tried not to look though) that will really mix up the battles system from previous tales(though it does sound like jumping is a lot easier and useful now) but I do know that SO3 throws in the fury(guts) bar and mp kill which is something that will require a new layer of strategy. Perhaps after I've played this new generation of real time rpgs I'll have a new opinion
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[rune_devros]

Both types have the ability to degenerate into "Mash the A / X button fests." Cyllya covered all of it very well. I think the type of battle that requires most thinking is FFT and FFTA style tactical system.
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[Charlie]

[skcll]

i think rts's require the most skill. tbs's allow the most time to strategize.

[caramelpopcorn]

[rune_devros]

I think Pokemon required a lot of strategy to make a truly effective team against other human players and even the Stadium games. For example, I used to believe that only attack moves were ever needed and neglected some of the less powerful but equally useful moves like Roar and Thunder Wave. Put them all together, and you can get some insanely powerful pokemon.
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[Cubre]

i think real time for FF will works quite nice....turn base just gets repetitive after a while
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