Possibility of ToD and ToE on PSN?

[DreamSword]

I myself would happily rebuy both on PSN. It'd give me a reason to replay them as well as provide an easier way to let my friends in on the action.

I was originally going to include TotA in thistopic as well, but since they released the 3DS version, seeing the PS2 version on PSN is highly unlikely.

[Accelerator]

[Colour]

[Accelerator]

It's not a ridiculious comparsion, really. Almost all the arguments for Xillia 2 being worse than 1 come down to "b-b-but I don't like what they did with the story!" which is the exact same complaint Destiny 2 whiners used to make. Sure Xillia 1 and 2 are much closer to being the same game than Destiny 1 and 2 are...but it still doesn't change that Xillia 2 is the objectively better game, fixing the large majority of complaints with the first game's gameplay and adding more content(aka giving almost everyone what they wanted when the reception to Xillia was less than great.)

The improvements to the battle system(more artes, more link artes, the weakness system, actually allowing for real combos, etc) made it much more fun to me. And the extra content made me actually want to play the game again, unlike Xillia which just gives a "that's it?" feeling when you finish it.

Sure, you guys can argue Xillia is a better game because it (supposedly) had a better story. But when you look at it from the other side, it also means the only better thing about Xillia 1 is the story(and even that is debatable) so it's clear what the objectively better game is.
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[Radge]

Wow, I kind agree with Accel on ToX2.

When it comes down to it, even with retcons and changes to the story, Xillia 2's combat and content are vast improvements to X1. Even the YT "elitists" could agree with that. And for me, after playing X2, it was so hard going back to X1's mechanics.

And no one's saying you MUST abuse CS or the weakness system. Like all battle mechanics in the series, you can choose NOT to use them, like you can choose to not use Accel mode,Yuri's Tension Skills, the Glory skill and others, etc etc
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[Yume Hanabi]

It's not just the story. Sure, Xillia 2 added more content... to Xillia. But as its own game, as a new mothership, it doesn't really bring much, as most of it is recycled. Even if its story wasn't riddled with plotholes and was the best thing ever, it wouldn't change the fact that it's a really lazy sequel. That's why I can't honestly call it a better game than Xillia 1.

And the gameplay is a bit better, but for each improvement there was a step back (usually removing my favourite aspects of the original system, just my luck >_>), so that kinda failed to impress me. I've been recently playing 1 and 2 back and forth, sometimes both in the same evening, and I don't notice much of a difference in the battle system. Both have things I like and things that annoy me, and in the end it evens out, the scale tipping in favor of one or the other according to which character I'm using (for example, I prefer playing Milla in X1, but Elise is more fun in X2).

I also think Xillia 1's "lack of content" is often exaggerated.
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[GinRei]

[Colour]

lol @ the term "objectively better".

And uh Xillia 2 didn't fix everything and has some flaws that weren't in the original (still no proper multiplayer or soloing, dumb party limit, Ludger being forced in your party, major imbalance, lack of exploration, being locked to certain towns, AIs taking a major stepback, debt system, etc.)

Even if the problems were exclusive to the story, so what? People don't forgive DOTNW for having so many retcons, so why should TOX2 get the pass? Stop with your "objectively better" ********. Plenty of people here prefer Legendia over content-laden games such as Symphonia, Abyss, and Graces. If people only cared about contents, then Graces would be praised here.
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[Accelerator]

I didn't say it fixed everything.

I said it fixed the majority of problems.

And I actually liked the debt because it gave me motivation to do the sidequests like the hunting quests and get actual rewards for it.

Also I don't think you know what objectively better means. Symphonia, Abyss, Graces, whatever are all objectively better than Legendia as a game. These aren't visual novels or anime. If we're judging something as a game, mechanics come into play, as does content, as does the battle system. That's called gameplay. And it's a game. Story and characters are great when they're good, but they don't have a place when we're judging which is better as a GAME. If we wanted to talk about the narrative, or even favorite Tales, it might, but not in a discussion based purely on "which is a better designed video game?"


And people don't like DotNW because it plays like **** and is a very clearly budget game that forced people to use monsters they didn't want to use and limited the old party at level 50 and had a clunky ass battle system that made staggering things annoying as ****.

I haven't seen anyone give Xillia 2's retcons a pass so much as "the story was pretty enjoyable despite that", which uh, DotnW wasn't because it's concept wasn't even interesting to a lot of people.
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[Colour]

[Accelerator]

yeah colour those are called visual novels

they can be on things besides PC

just like fate/stay night on vita

they can even have small gameplay elements like fate/hollow ataraxia or tomoyo after, among others

those are just VNs on DS with a few piddly interaction portions that somehow took off here

actually layton might be a game because it's actually about puzzle solving.
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[Yume Hanabi]

"Majority"? What "majority"? It fixed a few things and introduced other problems in return while destroying some good things. Sorry, still not impressed by their "fixing".

And how can you blame Dawn for limiting your party options when Xillia 2 does the exact same thing (only it's a bit more subtle about it but still).

[Arn]

Layton, PW and 999 are adventure games not VN's.
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[Radge]

Can we just say they're both two halves of the same whole?

Xillia for setting off the universe and the characters and the mechanics, while Xillia 2 for the combat that the original should've had and for the further development and growth of the main cast?
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[Slivius]