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Whoa.
Now this is a high-level Tales Forum debate.
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Well, it seems like we're never going to agree. No offense, but if we can't come to a middle ground, debating is kind of tiring(and pointless), so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on how Graces was written and handled.
I don't mean to sound like I'm coping out, just that I realize that the actions of the characters can be interpreted in different ways(like when we talked about Aston) and we seem to be pretty set into our opinions, so... |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Sunny wrote: | Whoa.
Now this is a high-level Tales Forum debate. |
Indeed, but the Xillia discussion will be even greater assuming that Scrawlers has played it. You'll have Kenny making a Scrawlers-length post since he considers Xillia a very flawed game, and then you'll have Scrawlers making a Scrawlers-length reply arguing against him, and then you'll have a debate even longer and deeper than this one. The best days of this thread are still ahead of us, Sunny. |
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| Slivius wrote: | | It can make the world feel more alive. I'm not saying it specifically needs one of those btw, it just needs ...something... to make the world more endearing, more fleshed out in my opinion. |
It's like as players, the characters we play as are the eyes beholding the world itself. Yet the very heart that makes the game what it is, beats to a slow rhythm; making the very planets themselves, even lack depth. NB didn't exercise enough creativity into it to make for a more lively experience.
And just like a picture, the colors may be vibrant enough and the characters ostensibly charming, but behind it all, belies a wasted potential.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Casey wrote: | | Sunny wrote: | Whoa.
Now this is a high-level Tales Forum debate. |
Indeed, but the Xillia discussion will be even greater assuming that Scrawlers has played it. You'll have Kenny making a Scrawlers-length post since he considers Xillia a very flawed game, and then you'll have Scrawlers making a Scrawlers-length reply arguing against him, and then you'll have a debate even longer and deeper than this one. The best days of this thread are still ahead of us, Sunny. |
Unfortunately virtually all of my Xillia problems are gameplay related besides jude and Alvin which I've kinda beaten into the ground, and I don't dislike Xillia nearly as much ( i actually like it now and love 2) as I love Graces, so I don't have much to say :(
I actually think ToV is much, much more flawed in my eyes but at the time of discussion I didn't feel like talking about it and dealing with like 5 people on me at once because its ToV |
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Do your problems with Vesperia have anything to do with how the entire middle third of the game has no plot or overarching character motivation until Alexei randomly becomes a full-time villain off-screen with absolutely no set-up?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, yeah, that's a major one, along with the ones you commented on in the tales news thread |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I actually think ToV is much, much more flawed in my eyes but at the time of discussion I didn't feel like talking about it and dealing with like 5 people on me at once because its ToV |
Yes, I wouldn't want 5 people giving me a bukkake on a subject they knew more about and understood better than I do either.
| Dr. Casey wrote: | | Sunny wrote: | Whoa.
Now this is a high-level Tales Forum debate. |
Indeed, but the Xillia discussion will be even greater assuming that Scrawlers has played it. You'll have Kenny making a Scrawlers-length post since he considers Xillia a very flawed game, and then you'll have Scrawlers making a Scrawlers-length reply arguing against him, and then you'll have a debate even longer and deeper than this one. The best days of this thread are still ahead of us, Sunny. |
If only both are willing to still post *hinthint* : )
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| I can only expend so much energy talking about bad games sunny, and I'm not a fan of any form of bukkake |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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^ouch xD
I'm looking forward to the Xillia discussion. I might not be able to chime in since I know next to nothing of the games, but I'm curious what changes you'd want to see.
inb4 kill jude fix combination attacks
edit: Looks like Graces is just about wrapped up Yume ;)
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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And this is why we can never have good Vesperia discussion on this forum 
Don't wrap up Graces too fast I'm not ready xD
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry, I always wait at least a few days to make sure things have actually died off.
| Dr. Casey wrote: | | Indeed, but the Xillia discussion will be even greater assuming that Scrawlers has played it. |
She hasn't.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Well, it seems like we're never going to agree. No offense, but if we can't come to a middle ground, debating is kind of tiring(and pointless), so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on how Graces was written and handled.
I don't mean to sound like I'm coping out, just that I realize that the actions of the characters can be interpreted in different ways(like when we talked about Aston) and we seem to be pretty set into our opinions, so... |
That's fine with me. I only wish we all could have been this mature when discussing Abyss.
| Quote: | | Indeed, but the Xillia discussion will be even greater assuming that Scrawlers has played it. You'll have Kenny making a Scrawlers-length post since he considers Xillia a very flawed game, and then you'll have Scrawlers making a Scrawlers-length reply arguing against him, and then you'll have a debate even longer and deeper than this one. The best days of this thread are still ahead of us, Sunny. |
Flamfas beat me to it, but yeah, I haven't played Xillia yet. I only play games in English, since I'm not fluent enough in other languages (Japanese, primarily) to understand/enjoy them to the fullest. In other words, I'll be ducking out once the Xillia discussion starts since I don't want to be spoiled for the English release. ^^; Sorry if that disappoints anyone.
Though, I will say that I'm amused by the fact that "Scrawlers-length" is being used to describe post lengths. Not surprised, but amused. Almost as amused as I was by the fact that Sliv quoted me in his (her?) signature . . .
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Mr.Sliv is indeed a guy.
lol falcom 
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