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ArgyleGamer
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 Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:45 am Post subject: If Sylvarant was in decline for too long |
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| What would happen if Sylvarant would be in decline for too long? Chosens would have been killed by monsters or the Renegades for many years. I imagine Sylvarant would eventually just die and Tethe'alla would eventually discover magitechnology. Wouldn't this interfere with Mithos' plan. Do you think Cruxis would have to intervene by trying to make sure that the Chosen's journey would be sussessful? |
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Saeko
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:32 am Post subject: |
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That is exactly why Kratos tagged along. He's one of the very few who could defeat Vidarr in combat and just knowing he was there made Botta back off at Kvar's ranch. Colette's journey's success was almost guarantee with Kratos in the party, if she would have been killed Mithos would probably have covered it up and switch the Mana flow himself.
If Sylvarant had run out of Mana, Tethe'alla would have been destroyed as well since both worlds were linked. That's why Mithos was starting to panic and sent back-up; in this case Kratos because he was the one in charge of overseeing Sylvarant (Yuan was in charge of Tethe'alla).
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Phaelin
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Saeko wrote: | | That is exactly why Kratos tagged along. He's one of the very few who could defeat Vidarr in combat and just knowing he was there made Botta back off at Kvar's ranch. |
And yet poor Kratos typically enters the party at level 4. Half the time I have a hard time keeping Lloyd at a lower level than Kratos just in an attempt to be storyline accurate. Gee, Kratos gained more levels during the game itself than he did in the past 4000 years... 
(Side note: I don't disagree with your assessment of the plot in the least. I just think they should have made Kratos at least a little higher level to make him a bit more appropriate to the story. I know his level is kept low to keep the game from being a cakewalk, but it's okay for the game to be easy early on. And his level is probably also kept low as part of his disguise, but as a mercenary he still should have been higher level than three kids...) |
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Slivius
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Kratos obviously holds back. ;)
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Saeko
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Phaelin wrote: | | And yet poor Kratos typically enters the party at level 4. Half the time I have a hard time keeping Lloyd at a lower level than Kratos just in an attempt to be storyline accurate. Gee, Kratos gained more levels during the game itself than he did in the past 4000 years... |
So technically, he should have joined already at the level cap, assuming he reached it during Mithos' quest? If level caps weren't a thing, I wonder what level he would be at after 4,000 years... Level infinity maybe? XD
| Slivius wrote: | | Kratos obviously holds back. |
Thaaat's actually canon. Lloyd keeps b******* about how he was holding back when they fought him.
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Slivius
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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If level caps don't exist, and he's been doing his thing for 4000 years, I think he'd lose levels because of inactivity.
I mean, just look at the difference between Symphonia and DotNW, all those precious levels lost!
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Saeko
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Slivius wrote: | If level caps don't exist, and he's been doing his thing for 4000 years, I think he'd lose levels because of inactivity.
I mean, just look at the difference between Symphonia and DotNW, all those precious levels lost! |
Oooh... So that's how it works. o-o
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Phaelin
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| Slivius wrote: | | Kratos obviously holds back. |
What amuses me about Kratos holding back is when the player gets a game over by getting beaten by a dragon rider just across the bridge from Izoold or something. Gee, Kratos holds back so much as to fail his mission? Thanks, dude!  |
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Slivius
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| Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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He's probably so absorbed by his acting that he forgets to go all out.
Though to be fair, saving his dying teammates with a judgement would put him in a really awkward position.
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Phaelin
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I was once considering a game mechanic where if Kratos is the only one standing (everyone else is KO'd) he'd gain increased stats or something, representing him dropping the facade while there is no one else around to see. Then after the fight he could revive the others and huff like he's run a marathon and say, "I just barely managed to pull through, somehow..." Heh heh...
But, that would make the game too easy, since you'd just have to make sure Kratos goes down last and you could win virtually any battle. (Not to mention it'd raise the eyebrows of the player, who would see it and wonder about it, even if the cast can't.)
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Slivius
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| Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Another possibility is to give Kratos an Auto-raise ability which kicks in after he's ko for 2 minutes or something, reviving him at half/full health.
This way the party can still die and go game over, but it would hint to Kratos being far more powerful than the rest of the cast.
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Amadán Amárach
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Sylverant starts the game in distress, but not exactly crisis. How progressive the decline in mana is is not revealed, so it's hard to say when the tipping point would come. I might say that I think there would be time enough for at least the next Chosen's journey to take place but, as that could be a whole generation away, who is to say that crops would not fail completely by that time?
The points made recently about whether the gender of the Chosen makes them suitable to receive Martel could imply that Tethe'alla has been unsuitable for nearly fifty years. Wherever it is that Sylverant's lineage comes from (and I'm presuming you could direct me to a lengthy list of discussions about that!) it's produced a girl, and one that Remiel and Yggdrasil have a lot of confidence in. There's been no attempt (and I am defending Colette's honour here ) to continue the lineage from this Chosen. It's going to work this time, dear sister!!! |
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