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rothcol_shepard
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| Ruin wrote: | you know how much time and money goes into even a low-scale localization, right?
This wouldn't be a NISA level niche otaku game where they're happy with a dozen or so thousand sales
They've made it clear that they WANT Tales to do well in the West and pooping out some low quality localizations for some low quality vita games doesn't really show that |
Well, here is the thing. It is REALLY hard for someone to get into this series when it is full of disappointment.
Quite a few friends of mine refuse to get into this series because all they here about is the drama online from games not getting localized, or taking forever to do so when they do. They don't even want to be a part of it because they think it will just lead to future disappointment (and it WILL, in fact, IT ALREADY IS).
Personally, I would have ditched this series LONG ago if I couldn't import them.
I mean, "LOL, HERE ARE THREE NEW GAMES YOU WILL NEVER PLAY!"
Yeah, GREAT way to keep fans.
HYPE is the #1 tool to sell a game. Namco's treatment of it's international fanbase destroys lots of potential hype.
The worst part is these constant broken promises. I mean, they say a "tales filled year" and then give us ONE game, super late, AND announce we WON'T get THREE more?
What the hell are they expecting?
Being a NIS America fan is so much easier. You can say what you want about them, but consider this: I KNOW I will get to play Disgaea D2. I KNOW I will get to play the next Neptunia game, even the portable ones.
Hell, they even localized Disgaea Infinite, a VISUAL NOVEL. I wasn't expecting that, but it happened. NIS is good to their fans, and as a result they have a loyal fanbase.
Namco treats their fans like dirt on the other hand.
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Who the hell said a "tales filled year" was all about just games?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| rothcol_shepard wrote: | Being a NIS America fan is so much easier. You can say what you want about them, but consider this: I KNOW I will get to play Disgaea D2. I KNOW I will get to play the next Neptunia game, even the portable ones.
Hell, they even localized Disgaea Infinite, a VISUAL NOVEL. I wasn't expecting that, but it happened. NIS is good to their fans, and as a result they have a loyal fanbase. |
Okie doke, pal.
You have fun with your moe moe weeaboo games.
I'll be here with the company that wants to be taken seriously and not be the one that pander solely to the bodypillow-****ing manchildren crowd
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Ruin wrote: | r moe moe weeaboo games.
I'll be here with the company that wants to be taken seriously and not be the one that pander solely to the bodypillow-****ing manchildren crowd |
...Have you ever actually even tried a Disgaea game, or are you just attacking it for the hell of it?
Also, define "weeaboo game".
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yeah
the same disgaea series with the scantily clad 12 year old, admitted lolicon character artist, and shallow humor that only a manchild would appreciate
gameplay is boring and grindy too
so yeah
weeaboo snorefest
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The Vita games bombing here would just give them more excuses not to localize console/3DS games.
I take it as good news they aren't going to localize them.
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rothcol_shepard
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| Ruin wrote: | yeah
the same disgaea series with the scantily clad 12 year old, admitted lolicon character artist, and shallow humor that only a manchild would appreciate
gameplay is boring and grindy too
so yeah
weeaboo snorefest |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DQb4VpcaaU
The Disgaea games never had any actual nudity though, TOS: DOTW does.
Marta looks like she's 10, and she's a blatant sexualized stereotype. And Emil is nothing more than a shallow shell for pathetic old men to project themselves onto.
I could say mostly the same thing for Alice, she's just pandering to masochists instead.
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| rothcol_shepard wrote: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DQb4VpcaaU
The Disgaea games never had any actual nudity though, TOS: DOTW does.
Marta looks like she's 10, and she's a blatant sexualized stereotype. And Emil is nothing more than a shallow shell for pathetic old men to project themselves onto. |
You really like derailing your own threads don't you?
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| Suikoden2 wrote: | | You really like derailing your own threads don't you? |
Ruin already derailed it.
Not to mention, not liking a game is one thing. Insulting its entire player-base is another.
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you're the one that brought up disgaea, sweetie.
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| Ruin wrote: | | you're the one that brought up disgaea, sweetie. |
And you are the one that called all of its players weeaboo manchildren.
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Back on topic though, Ruin had a point - if they went with a partial dub and sold like crap, even if they make some profit it doesn't look good on the series - both on sales and on having such a shoddy voice job.
With NISA as the topic, I like Disgaea and Atelier, but Atelier's localization feels distinctly lazier because of the partial dubs versus Disgaea's full dubs, even when I'm well aware of the justified reasons behind it. |
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I spake the truth unto thee and thou close thine ears to my word and retaliated against my word, honey.
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| Arrei wrote: | Back on topic though, Ruin had a point - if they went with a partial dub and sold like crap, even if they make some profit it doesn't look good on the series - both on sales and on having such a shoddy voice job.
With NISA as the topic, I like Disgaea and Atelier, but Atelier's localization feels distinctly lazier because of the partial dubs versus Disgaea's full dubs, even when I'm well aware of the justified reasons behind it. |
But you got the games though. You consistently got the games.
Is this "full dub" really worth only getting a 1/3 of a series?
Not to mention, all the older Tales of games were only partial dubs.
In fact, in Symphonia's case, it isn't the fact that they left the skits unvoiced that pissed me off, but the fact that they were too lazy to recode them into "Press A to advance text" format. Having text that moves so much slower than I can read it is annoying as hell. It would have only taken a few lines of code to do this, too.
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Actually, I never picked up Rorona and I'm not sure if I'm picking up Ayesha. I wouldn't call that "consistent". Even if I got the games consistently that wouldn't shake this feeling I have, would it?
Anyway, it's not a matter of the value of dubs or whatever. Simply that Tales doesn't need more bombs on its track record and quite frankly the R games don't present a particularly appealing package, especially if they had big chunks of NISA-style missing voiceovers. Both would reflect poorly on the series as a whole.
The games from the previous era had the advantage of being out in a time where even the amount they did have was considered a whole lot of voice acting, but the Reimagine games coming out nowadays with unvoiced pieces on the level of NISA's partial dubs, with tons of key event scenes going unvoiced, would feel downright shoddy.
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