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JiCi
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| rothcol_shepard wrote: | | Also, Valkyria Chronicles 1 had dual-audio. VC2 did not. I bought it anyway to support the series. But guess what? WE DIDN'T EVEN GET VC3 IN ANY FORM. Yeah, fan support totally helped in the end. That's why I only buy games to play them only, never solely to support them. |
Wow... you did notice that VC1 was on PS3 and that VC2 was on PSP... right? It's way easier to add dual audio on a blu-ray than on an UMD.
Furthermore, like the others said, PSP is dead here, so of course they did not risk it by releasing VC3 here.
You're just a lost cause... get out, just get out...
ToX isn't gonna get dual audio and we're gonna support the game so we can get ToX2. Your hatred for the english dub is misplaced, childish and downright stupid. Your thick-headedness to purchase a used copy as well makes you look like a poor, unemployed and/or uninformed consumer. |
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| JiCi wrote: | | rothcol_shepard wrote: | | Also, Valkyria Chronicles 1 had dual-audio. VC2 did not. I bought it anyway to support the series. But guess what? WE DIDN'T EVEN GET VC3 IN ANY FORM. Yeah, fan support totally helped in the end. That's why I only buy games to play them only, never solely to support them. |
Wow... you did notice that VC1 was on PS3 and that VC2 was on PSP... right? It's way easier to add dual audio on a blu-ray than on an UMD.
Furthermore, like the others said, PSP is dead here, so of course they did not risk it by releasing VC3 here.
You're just a lost cause... get out, just get out...
ToX isn't gonna get dual audio and we're gonna support the game so we can get ToX2. Your hatred for the english dub is misplaced, childish and downright stupid. Your thick-headedness to purchase a used copy as well makes you look like a poor, unemployed and/or uninformed consumer. |
Space is actually not an issue in this case. A UMD holds 1600MB of space.
Valkyria Chonicles 2 is about 800MB. What ever the reason it didn't have dual-audio was, it has nothing to do with it being on PSP or space issues.
Also, here was the US trailer for the original PS2 version of Abyss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SQhZH0vHWI
THIS is a good advertisement, it doesn't suggest the game has anything it does not. Everything shown in that ad is in the final game. |
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Arrei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| rothcol_shepard wrote: | | Advertisement for a specific version should ONLY show footage from that specific version. Showing it having something it does not have is false advertisement by definition. |
What you can do with the text in other games is irrelevant, and so are your ideas of what a trailer "should ONLY" show.
It was nothing more than a bloody announcement trailer they scraped up to let the EU fanbase know the game was coming over, as they had never even received Abyss on PS2 and were thinking they'd be passed over for this release as well. Nothing in the trailer would even suggest the game would keep the Japanese audio, because back in 2011, no one was so rabid that they'd jump on ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to do with Japanese audio. |
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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I also don't remember the EU fanbase ever believing we'd get dual audio...
I was more miffed by the lack of French translation tbh
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Arrei wrote: | | rothcol_shepard wrote: | | Advertisement for a specific version should ONLY show footage from that specific version. Showing it having something it does not have is false advertisement by definition. |
What you can do with the text in other games is irrelevant, and so are your ideas of what a trailer "should ONLY" show.
It was nothing more than a bloody announcement trailer they scraped up to let the EU fanbase know the game was coming over, as they had never even received Abyss on PS2. Nothing in the trailer would even suggest the game would keep the Japanese audio, because back in 2011, no one was so rabid that they'd jump on ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to do with Japanese audio. |
That doesn't make it right. There could and should have used the US PS2 trailer and just replaced the logos at the end with 3DS logos.
Also:
http://www.gamespot.com/news/final-fantasy-xiii-ad-banned-6273824
"The UK's Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has upheld an objection over a television advert for the Xbox 360 version of Final Fantasy XIII, ruling that the ad breached codes against misleading advertising and must not be broadcast again in its current form. A viewer had complained that the ad was misleading because the game footage used was taken from the PlayStation 3 version of the game and not the Xbox 360 version."
And this is MUCH more minor, but it was still enough to get the ad banned.
"The ASA concluded that the Final Fantasy XIII ad for Xbox 360 version "should have featured footage derived from that console""
I 100% fully agree with this, and it makes me highly respect the UK ASA.
You can claim "it should be obvious" all you want. Doesn't stop it from being false advertisement.
The average person that doesn't follow the series may see the ad and expect the product to be as shown. If I didn't know about the Tales of series and saw that trailer, I would fully expect the game to have Japanese audio, and I would be very surprised and angered to find out it does not after spending money on it.
| Yume Hanabi wrote: | I also don't remember the EU fanbase ever believing we'd get dual audio...
I was more miffed by the lack of French translation tbh |
I know what you mean, but it is important to know that not everyone is a hard core fan that knows everything about the series. It may not be misleading to us, but it can be to someone new to the series.
Especially since Tales of the Abyss the Animation's DVDs were in Japanese with English subtitles. Someone who buys those DVDs then sees this ad would probably very well expect the game to have Japanese audio.
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Arrei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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That was a commercial.
This was a goddamned trailer used to announce that the game was, in fact, coming over and they could stop worrying about it.
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Archer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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I'll never understand weebs
why would you want to listen to nipnongs squealing into the microphone when there's the infinitely better alternative of MANLY AMERICAN VOICES
its like you hate freedom
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Arrei wrote: | That was a commercial.
This was a goddamned trailer used to announce that the game was, in fact, coming over and they could stop worrying about it. |
A trailer is still a commercial, and it still represents the product. |
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| rothcol_shepard wrote: | | Especially since Tales of the Abyss the Animation's DVDs were in Japanese with English subtitles. Someone who buys those DVDs then sees this ad would probably very well expect the game to have Japanese audio. |
Huh? The DVD never came out in Europe.
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | rothcol_shepard wrote: | | Especially since Tales of the Abyss the Animation's DVDs were in Japanese with English subtitles. Someone who buys those DVDs then sees this ad would probably very well expect the game to have Japanese audio. |
Huh? The DVD never came out in Europe. |
......you are right, it did not. Weird, I thought it did for some reason.
Well, at the very least, the US DVDs were subtitle only.
Which I found quite weird to be honest. Why did they go dub only for the game and sub only for the anime?
By their marketing logic, dubbing the anime would have been much more profitable wouldn't it? o_O.
I don't understand Japanese media companies sometimes. Either way, the US DVDs are still sold on Amazon.co.uk and are available to UK customers.
My point is though, Abyss already has 1 product related to it that is in Japanese with English subtitles. It is not unreasonable for someone to thing another product related to it would also be, especially when the trailer gives that impression.
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Arrei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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That doesn't matter. False advertising applies to advertisements, which you know are designed to show off the product. An announcement trailer is not designed for showing off the product, but only to... announce.
Using untranslated footage in early previews of a game is not unheard of and has never led anyone to believe that the game would be presented with features shown in the untranslated version. And untranslated footage is exactly what the trailer was.
I also find it mystifying that you'd make such a big deal about saying they have to show off a fully accurate representation of the product... and then say they should have just used PS2 footage for a 3DS game.
As for the anime, that's because Bandai's western wing hit dire straits, and didn't dub much in the first place. |
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Arrei wrote: | | I also find it mystifying that you'd make such a big deal about saying they have to show off a fully accurate representation of the product... and then say they should have just used PS2 footage for a 3DS game. |
In the case of Tales of the Abyss, both the PS2 and 3DS versions are practically identical, both in content and in graphics. There is nothing the PS2 version has that the 3DS does not, and you would have no real way to know what version you are watching.
Though, maybe it would be better if they made a trailer from scratch. It was just a suggestion, either way.
I will point out that the Metal Gear Solid demo for the PS1 was in Japanese with English subtitles. It specifically had a disclaimer at the beginning saying that the final product would feature full English voice work, and that the Japanese voices are only being used temporarily for the demo.
There is no reason Namco could not have done something similar for their Abyss trailer. |
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Arrei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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So Abyss has a product related to it in Japanese audio. How does that make any difference whatsoever? Have you forgotten that the US PS2 game with English audio existed long before the anime was released?
And yes, they're almost identical save improved loading and bottom-screen function, but the PS3 and 360 versions of FF13 were even more identical and you had no problem trying to use those to support your argument. The key thing here is accuracy, you purport to be caring so much about accurately representing the product, but then just go and suggest using another inaccuracy, meaning you're just kvetching over nothing at all.
Yes, it would have been better to just make a trailer from scratch, including English language and everything... but again, first off no one then was so rabid that they'd see untranslated footage and think that meant the game had Japanese audio, and secondly EU was practically the red-headed stepchild market of an already niche series in 2011. Times have changed since then, but back then it was surprising they got a trailer at all. |
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rothcol_shepard
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just saying, if the ASA reviewed the Abyss trailer, I guarantee they would consider it to be false advertisement and would force Namco to take it down.
And the difference with FF13 was the ad was in HD, it clearly showed the graphical differences.
A youtube ad would not, it is too compressed, even in 720p. |
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Arrei
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Doubtful. Because it's a gotdang Youtube video announcement, not qualifying as an advertisement, if I understand the ASA's function correctly.
And FF13's case remains the same: there are minor differences between the 360 and PS3 versions. There are also minor differences between the PS2 and 3DS versions of Abyss.
And the fact that the game has come and gone... means you're just raising crap over something that was not meant to falsely lead anyone, meaning there was no integrity compromised here, and did not falsely lead anyone, meaning there was no harm done either... so why the hell does this even matter, again, if not just to whine? |
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