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| Flamzeron wrote: | | The games have poor sales because no one buys them. |
And no one buys them because either they are not aware of it or they think they know it all (all those Tales stereotypes of them all being the same, purely built onto anime tropes etc. most of the half truths but selling the brand worse that it is, at least for the main games) but are not aware of the finer details they'd actually like if they tried them.
Both Symphonia and Vesperia had really astonishing words of mouth all things considered, making them many peoples favorite JRPG in their respective generation, many of who never played a Tales game before. None of that carried over to the respective following Tales entries. |
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Flamfas
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| Accelerator wrote: | | Flamfas wrote: | lol
Like Tenshi, part of the reason Tales is a favorite for me is because they are STILL making good games. Same cant be said of all RPG series of the past |
1 good mothership game per 3 or 4 awful spinoff/re imagination/mothership given to an outsourced company that doesn't know what they're doing games |
I wish these reimaginations never happened either, and there have been a few disappointing spinoffs (TB, VS, DotNW), but for the most part quality has been upheld. And I know that whenever the game isn't outsourced, it will be good.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:11 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but still.
they announce like 4 games around the same time much of the time, and one of them is good while the other 3 are reimaginations or bad spin offs. That's not really "upholding quality."
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Last year wasn't the best, what with the mediocre Twin Brave as well as ToIR (although that one was actually pretty good, graphics aside). At least ToX2 was great.
But before that, what did they have? 2011 saw RM3, Abyss 3DS, and Xillia.
2010 had Graces f and Narikiri Dungeon X.
2009 had Graces, Vesperia PS3, VS, and RM2.
2008 had Vesperia 360, Rebirth PSP, DotNW, Destiny: Director's Cut, and Hearts.
2008 through 2011 they had like two "meh" games (DotNW and VS). 2012 was meh with TB, but ToIR, while it wasn't amazing, was actually pretty good.
So yeah. I think the quality is still pretty high, especially if you ignore spinoffs. Starting this year off with Hearts R was a little rocky. While I am upset with what it changed from the original, I also think that it's an objectively decent game. Just not favorable when compared to the original.
But the next Re-Imagination is Tempest, so there won't be that bias to compare with. And surely we're going to see a game from NB themselves later this year.
I think things are fine.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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DotNW and TB have fair scores.
VS and Tempest were awful game, and along with Phantasia GBA.
Dimps (Tempest) and Matrix (VS) would never made future Tales titles. TB was developed by Alfa System (Innocence and World titles)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| DotNW was received better in Japan for the very same reason that it was so hated here, I think. One way or another it wasn't up to standards for a main game's sequel. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Tempest Tales wrote: | | TB have fair scores. |
Twinbraves sold very poorly. I'm not sure what you're referring to?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Colour wrote: | | Tempest Tales wrote: | | TB have fair scores. |
Twinbraves sold very poorly. I'm not sure what you're referring to? |
Innocence R sold terribly compared this.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Innocence R sold badly because it was on the Vita and despite that, it still got good reviews. Twinbraves? Most of the fanbase was uninterested and it it sold poorly compared to other escorts despite being on a fan-preferred console.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| pflaume wrote: | | Flamzeron wrote: | | The games have poor sales because no one buys them. |
And no one buys them because either they are not aware of it or they think they know it all (all those Tales stereotypes of them all being the same, purely built onto anime tropes etc. most of the half truths but selling the brand worse that it is, at least for the main games) but are not aware of the finer details they'd actually like if they tried them.
Both Symphonia and Vesperia had really astonishing words of mouth all things considered, making them many peoples favorite JRPG in their respective generation, many of who never played a Tales game before. None of that carried over to the respective following Tales entries. |
I'd agree with you if it was 2006. The Tales games get online ads all over the place now. Not to mention gaming magazines and websites cover the games a decent amount. I don't know where you all get the impression that the English Tales games don't sell well these days. If you go to GameStop, you're guaranteed to find one copy of the latest game, yes, but it's only ONE copy. People are clearly buying the games, either to play it themselves or sell it on Ebay/Amazon. Plus, the fact that the games are anime based helps. There are plenty of people who buy Tales games, especially Symphonia, simply because it was an anime video game they've never heard of before. These days, people at least know what Tales is when you bring it up in conversation (and I make a point to when discussing video games.)
Did Symphonia even got more than one ad? I only ever saw the two page ad that popped up in magazines at the time. Vesperia is the only one I know if that got more than one ad. Vesperia also got major coverage, which helped. Word of mouth only goes so far.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Symphonia got the COVER of Nintendo Power
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| pflaume wrote: | | Flamzeron wrote: | | The games have poor sales because no one buys them. |
And no one buys them because either they are not aware of it or they think they know it all (all those Tales stereotypes of them all being the same, purely built onto anime tropes etc. most of the half truths but selling the brand worse that it is, at least for the main games) but are not aware of the finer details they'd actually like if they tried them.
Both Symphonia and Vesperia had really astonishing words of mouth all things considered, making them many peoples favorite JRPG in their respective generation, many of who never played a Tales game before. None of that carried over to the respective following Tales entries. |
All the same? WTH? NO
There's a reason the battle systems are similar. They're the best JRPG battle systems around. Skits/characters/locations are awesome too, never change tales.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Aggression wrote: | All the same? WTH? NO
There's a reason the battle systems are similar. They're the best JRPG battle systems around. Skits/characters/locations are awesome too, never change tales. |
See, you mistook the audience again. You don't need to evangelize anyone on this forum, everyone here knows what Tales offers. But you do need to tell those who only have a cursory knowledge of Tales, if at all. And no need to get all defensive only because you can't read.  |
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These games have been not localized because this reason.
Phantasia (Not GBA): Dunno...
Destiny 2: Eternia is renamed as Destiny II and real Destiny 2 wasn't came in West at all. **** you Namco America.
Rebirth: Used special skill uses instead of TP, it was 2D.
Destiny R: Destiny 2 wasn't came and it has no chances. Special skill uses instead of TP and it is 2D.
All of the DS: Dunno... (Hearts isn't reasoned 2D, because it isn't Sony)
Radiant Mythology: 1 was failed in west. Sequels have been not came in outside of Japan.
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