Fire Emblem: Awakening (3DS)

Accelerator · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 7013

Because your definition of whoring is incredibly unreasonable and doesn't really make sense in the context of the game. Awakening has 49 chapters with all the paralogues.

Then there are 120 spotpass challenges where you fight old fire emblem characters and their teams, and they can be recruited. Again, for free. So you basically have 169 unique chapters of gameplay given to the player for free.

here is the paid dlc list in comparison: http://serenesforest.net/fe13/dlc_jp.html#list

That's not whoring by any reasonable person's definition. Nintendo isn't tricking you into "buying into" anything, nor is there anything to "fall for". It's just...a couple of fun extra events added into the game if you feel like paying for them, which is completely different from "whoring."
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Arrei · Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Posts: 553

It's a sad day when the DLC practices of businesses like Activision and Capcom have tainted the name of DLC to this degree. Nintendo's model of DLC is basically what we hoped DLC would initially be (though a bit too expensive in this game's case, personally) back in its infancy... and we can't trust even that.

Sunny · Joined: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 9756

As much as I hate DLC with a passion, I have to agree with Kenny.

Source: Iwata Ask session with Intelligent Systems.

IS didn't make the entire game and then decide to cut off portions to market as DLC as you can read here:

Flamfas · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:03 am Post subject:

Oh, I definitely agree that it's better off than DLC is in other games; it doesn't feel like content that should have been there in the first place, and some of it is free.

However, I just feel like they could have toned down the DLC, a lot. It was great to see a lot of returning heroes, yeah ... but what are they going to do next Fire Emblem? Have all those characters return via DLC again? I would have preferred they had just a few DLC characters and saved others for next time. It also irritates me that the Iote's Shield skill is behind a paywall, but that's nitpicking and not really my main point.

I said "whoring" because I think they added way more DLC than they needed to. Let's be real, almost no one is going to buy ALL the DLC. I think 4-5 maps would have been a better idea; one could "complete" the DLC collection for much cheaper, and it would save a lot of the FE roster for later DLC endeavors in future games.

I will again reiterate that what they do have is still better than what a lot of companies do, but I still felt like it was too much.
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Conn · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:10 am Post subject:

So wait, your complaint is that they offered too much good content, and because of that there won't be a place for DLC in future?
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Flamfas · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:12 am Post subject:

Yes.

Be it good content or not, there's a lot of it; there's no denying that. I would have preferred they saved some of the characters for later rather than us going "oh, they put up an Ephraim map AGAIN" in all future titles.

On top of that, it's quite a bummer to see all the good DLC without a reasonable way to afford it. I'd love to buy all the DLC (I love the game a lot), but there's just simply too much of it.
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Accelerator · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 7013

I disagree completely with Flamfas. The DLC this game offers is wonderful, and honestly, I will be buying most if not all of it. Admittedly the beach/swimsuit DLC is a little weird and doesn't quite fit with fire emblem, but the other DLC maps are either fun side stories relevant to the main plotline but not required, battles where you fight against past fire emblem heroes(that reward you with past units!) or play nostalgic maps of Fire Emblem's past.

However, none of these are necessary. Versions of the old characters are already available from spotpass, and you already have 169 "chapters" of unique battles in the game without DLC already.

The entire point of this game was to be a compilation and celebration of the series as said in the Iwata asks, and they did a wonderful job with it. Who's to say the next Fire Emblem necessarily has to be a cameo fest like this one, and when making a game specifically to celebrate the series, why only go half way?

Looks like you're just hating on it for being "paid DLC" in a game so chock full of content already. This isn't scumbag dlc plans to charge extra money for features that should already be there or removing things from the main game. The DLC in this game exists to give even more new maps and content to long time fans of the series and tide them over. Clearly they had to work "overtime" to put out this DLC, and that's where your money comes in. There's nothing "whoring" about it. one pack(3 maps)=5 dollars. 4 packs, 12 chapters, 20 dollars=half a fire emblem game. Retail price for the game is 39 dollars. It's priced accordingly and fairly. If you can afford to regularly buy games, you can afford the DLC. It's just up to you if you'd rather spend that money on a new game or if you're having enough fun with FE that you just want more of it.

Also how do you know they won't be able to do fun twists and cameos for DLC in the future? There were plenty of characters left out of this game, and many more maps to use. Who knows what they could think up, or even what the next FE game will be like! It's not like 9 and 10 were like 8, so for all we know this could be a one time thing and you're jumping to huge assumptions.
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Flamfas · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:25 am Post subject:

I'm glad you enjoy the wealth of content.

Accelerator · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 7013

I'm glad you're glad I enjoy it, but I can't say I feel the same about you wanting to neuter a fantastic game
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Conn · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:26 am Post subject:

Flamfas · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:28 am Post subject:

I agree with you, Conn ... I think? Not really sure how what you said related to my quote.

Accelerator · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 7013

But clearly your complaints extend past the DLC, given you just complained about all the cameos, throwbacks and references the game has. And that is a huge part of what gives the game it's identity; it's a huge celebration of the series, and it even feels as such(it returns to Marth's world, ffs.) You know you can get almost every past character for free via spotpass, right? It just takes waiting.

And honestly, the game is fantastic without the DLC but the DLC makes it even better. Stuff like joining Ike's army to fight against Roy or seeing the events of the childrens' timeline is just awesome.
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Flamfas · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:37 am Post subject:

Shy Link · Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 459

I would kind of hate it if the cameo characters and "otherworldly visitors" thing became a regular thing and not just one of Awakening's gimmicks. Not that I'm not enjoying it for what it is; it's just not something that needs to exist outside of the mash-up of series features and ideas that Awakening already is.

So, if this does end up being the only Fire Emblem with DLC cameos, it only makes sense to throw in as many as they can.

I can imagine story relevant DLC might make a come back, but the idea of them throwing in more cameos in the next Fire Emblem is just gleh. Let's not turn this into Tales with its now obligatory cameo costume situation.
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Flamfas · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:44 am Post subject:

That's pretty much how I feel, Ky.

I originally wasn't aware the title was a celebration of sorts, so I thought the amount of DLC was a sign of things to come. If the extent of DLC is dramatically toned down in future titles, I'd be much happier.
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