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Lloyzerdk #2
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject: Were there any tales games that weren't "rushed"? |
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What I mean by "rushed" was that they couldn't put in everything they wanted in the game in time for release. Was there any Tales game where the dev team had enough time to put in everything they wanted? Considering how almost all titles in the series were remade or ported in some shape or form, probably not.
And I'm not saying the games aren't fun or complete or anything. I'm just asking which titles were the least rushed and the most complete. |
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Conn
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Well, strictly speaking no. Every single game has had content cut from it, as evident from the unused voice clips still floating around in the game files.
In terms of which game was 'most complete'... that's a tough one. My gut says Eternia just from the sheer amount of stuff already packed into it. As I recall, Symphonia is also fairly complete aside from the lack of MAs.
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I doubt there's a game in existence where the developers put in absolutely everything they wanted unless the game scope was designed to be fairly limited from the outset. I'm not sure if it's just that Tales Studio is particularly bad about leaving in-game artifacts of what they wanted to do or if there are simply a lot more people looking for those artifacts than there are for other series, but to me, very few of the games feel rushed. The artifacts are usually for completely superfluous things like artes, sidequests, and costumes, and Tales games feel completely normal even without that fluff.
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Graces Wii was the most complete. Graces F is like, "overcomplete", thanks to the f arc and all the bug fixing.
The game was so completely done and packed with content that they had to write an entirely new story for the PS3 version that was never originally intended for the game, and even then couldn't add stuff to the main game because it was already so full.
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Conn and Lunar summed it up pretty well.
All games in some sense have some content missing from it that developers would have liked to add if they were given more time to develop, test, and release the game. But in that case it's no longer "rushed" because most games are released with about 90% or more of the intended content within the game.
It is true that most of them are re-released as ports with extra contents and what-not but that doesn't make the previous version "incomplete." That's not true at all. I felt that Symphonia GC, Vesperia 360, and Graces Wii were already complete games.
But a lot of other people feel that missing Artes, Hi Ougis, sidequest, etc. all of a sudden account for 20% of the game's content. I think that's just dumb. On the other hand, when developers develop a full game and purposely separate a portion of it to sell as DLC then that's when you can say the game is incomplete.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Accelerator wrote: | Graces Wii was the most complete. Graces F is like, "overcomplete", thanks to the f arc and all the bug fixing.
The game was so completely done and packed with content that they had to write an entirely new story for the PS3 version that was never originally intended for the game, and even then couldn't add stuff to the main game because it was already so full. |
At first I didn't think the game would be that long but wow was I wrong. There is a ton of a content in the game and I'm only like in middle of it with little side quests completed. You have to do a lot of side quests for titles and such. I was overwhelmed at reading how many side quests there are for each character to obtain certain titles. Graces wasn't rushed at all.
If you want to talk about a rushed and unfinished game, try Xenogears as amazing as that game was, the second disc was completely rushed.
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Vesperia 360 is the most complete Tales game and will never be rivaled.
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Lloyzerdk #2
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| On a different note, how good is Eternia? I've heard mixed things about it. Is it better than Phantasia, battle-wise at least? |
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| Lloyzerdk #2 wrote: | | On a different note, how good is Eternia? I've heard mixed things about it. Is it better than Phantasia, battle-wise at least? |
The battle system is about the same. It is a good game, I didn't like it more than Phantasia though. I thought Phantasia had a better and more straight forward story. Plus Dhaos made for an awesome villain. |
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Eternia's battle system is a huge upgrade compared to Phantasia PSX/GBA/SNES. There's no spell pauses except for the actual 'Summon Spirits' and a couple of the hi-ougi's. It's overall a lot better, more controllable in my opinion and have a character where you can actually melee.
As for the story. Eternia's was actually pretty decent.. just it felt a little.. wobbly at times. |
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Honestly, Tempest and to a much lesser extent, Xillia are the only titles I've ever thought felt rushed at all.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Accelerator wrote: | | Graces Wii was the most complete. Graces F is like, "overcomplete", thanks to the f arc and all the bug fixing. |
The L&L arc completely butchers the original main ending though. 
| Quote: | * How many of you thought at first that the anime ending featured a grown-up Sophie playing with Asbel's and Cheria's son?
* Now... how many of you got baffled when they learned that Sophie can't age, grew up due to absorbing the Little Queen and that the kid is Asbel's and Cheria's great-great-grandson, in that same anime ending?
I'm gonna go straight to the point here: the fact that Sophie could not age was NEVER aborded in the main game. The L&L felt like it needed more drama so it added the part that Sophie starts worrying about having her friends taken away. In fact, didn't Cornell perfected the art of biotechnology and making humanoids that can live and die like humans, and that's why Lambda was "so precious"? Wasn't Protos Heis built like Lambda? I thought Emeraude made that statement somewhere in the story, be current or flashback.
Upon seeing the main ending, or the "real" ending in the Wii version, we ALL thought that Sophie grew up and was playing with Asbel's and Cheria's son. Don't lie here, you couldn't tell the "true" ending just with the Wii/main ending. Then the L&L arc comes in and screws everything up. Sophie didn't grow up; she absorbed the Little Queen and is now stuck as a yound lady. The kid isn't Asbel's and Cheria's son; it's their great-great-grand son, yes, because DNA can stretch THAT far in human genetics.
Seriously, would it have killed them to just have Sophie grow up normally? I think we would have understand why she didn't change in 7 years because she was recovering. That brings me to another point: if she can recover from scratch just by collecting eleth, then surely she can make herself age by modifying her eleth structure or whatever. Finally, if she can't age normally, then would it have killed them to go for the Pinocchio treatment? She absorbs the Little Queen, she becomes human. END OF MOPPING! She ages normally, and she stops worrying about losing her friends since she'll joint eventually (sad, but true)... and the kid is still Asbel's and Cheria's son.
Seriously, the main ending was fine as it is. Why did the L&L arc came in to wreck it in pieces? |
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regardless of the... questionable quality of the content, Kenny is correct in saying that Graces is packed with content.
... uninspired, mind-numbing and tedious content, yes, but content nonetheless
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| Have you played Graces? |
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Yep, he has.
| Flamfas wrote: | | Honestly, Tempest and to a much lesser extent, Xillia are the only titles I've ever thought felt rushed at all. |
Yeah this I would agree with. The rest not so much.
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