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Abicion

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Gouto-Douji wrote: | | Abicion wrote: | | Good to see there's a fanbase with atrocious tastes who are happy the entire point of MGS4's ending was anally raped for cheap commercial purposes and celebrate how the whole idea that this guy earned his humanity back through insane levels of self-sacrifice and doesn't have to worry about being a robot assassin any more was thrownout the window. |
Unfortunately the feeling isn't mutual when I see people like yourself doing nothing but complaining about a game's story that they have a total lack of knowledge of given game isn't out yet. |
so basically "b-b-b-but the gameplay might make up for it!" _________________ SOON.
| Quote: | | I thought this was going to be like Centipede! When did video games become so violent and scary? |
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Taiyz

Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 17930 Location: Canada, Yes, where assassins try to murder our Prime Minister with plastic knives from KFC!
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Actually Izanagi wasn't talking up gameplay as a saving grace, but it's obvious that you'd rather keep arguing about a new story that nobody really knows much about.
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Jimbob the Shameful
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| ha yeah guys imagine thinking gameplay is important in my video game |
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Taiyz

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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That's not what I was saying either. Why are you suggesting that we have to choose one or the other?
I guess what I was trying to say is, this is a story-focused franchise, and even if the game does kick ass despite a mediocre story, it won't redeem itself in the eyes of people like Abicion.
But the core point remains that we really don't know enough about said story to really be debating what will come about. _________________

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Jimbob the Shameful
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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I was mocking Abicion for outright dismissing gameplay as an important element of... a game. That's all.
I will shed a great tear if Revengeance turns out to ruin the integrity of Metal Gear Solid's inane intellectually bankrupt anime storyline. |
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Taiyz

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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That's the funny thing, Abicion is actually arguing for a logical conclusion for once. It's Revengeance that's throwing Raiden back into the fray and bringing back the craziness. _________________

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Gouto-Douji

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Logical or not, it still ridiculous complaining about it's story all the while being a condescending jackass to those who are looking forward to playing it before it's even out. Am I saying I'm going to love the story? No, because I don't know what will happen throughout it, just like how I didn't know what was going to happen in The 3rd Birthday's story beforehand. I'm sure you all know how I feel about that game too. _________________
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Taiyz

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Raiden's family is inside a giant watermelon and you have to cut the melon to beat the game. _________________

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Gouto-Douji

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I was thinking they might kill Raiden's family, since that sure as hell would put him in a messed up state of mind. It also would give some meaning behind the subtitle "Revengeance". _________________
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Taiyz

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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah that was my immediate thought after Abicion's initial complaint. It's like, well that's the obvious thing to do...
Hope they do something more interesting, but whatever.
That's also what made me think of Die Hard. (Speaking of; gonna go see the new one on Saturday!) _________________

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Jimbob the Shameful
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Taiyz wrote: | | That's the funny thing, Abicion is actually arguing for a logical conclusion for once. It's Revengeance that's throwing Raiden back into the fray and bringing back the craziness. |
MGS was retarded from the start.
That said, from what I know about the series, it seems reasonable that Raiden has gone entirely insane. His mentors and loved ones are out of the picture and as far as I can tell he was reduced to a skull. Would make you a bit angry. |
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Taiyz

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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Well okay, you're missing quite a bit. Anybody else reading this, this post has MGS4 ending spoilers. You've been warned.
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Raiden#Post-Big_Shell this section right here serves as an answer to your insanity remark. The important bit is that it was his choice to get a synthetic body. Most of his head and his entire spine are still organic.
The last paragraph of the following section summarizes his part of the ending, but I'll put it in my own words as well.
Basically, he left Rose in the first place because of guilt from his downhill slide caused by PTSD, and never returned to her since he heard that she had a miscarriage and eventually married Campbell ("Colonel") which only added to it. During MGS4 he stopped caring about himself and put his life on the line for others; rescuing Sunny, protecting Snake numerous times in scenes you've probably seen on YouTube due to how over the top they are, and so on.
He manages to survive the events of the game and is visited by Rose in the hospital. Basically, the miscarriage and marriage to Campbell were both a cover-up because if Raiden was still associated with Rose or his child, they would've gotten involved in the conflict. They had to leave him out of the loop because, well, the super evil mega-AI they were fighting against would know even if he tried to hide the fact. Rose basically wants Raiden back as her husband so they can properly start a family (and I personally think that Raiden's selflessness across the game has a lot to do with this request.) Raiden finally gets a new reason to live in the end.
I'm sure my explanation isn't the best, but as MGS goes it was a nice resolution to his character arc. It's unsurprising that he would go on to become a military adviser or something, but the fact that he gets in one fight and immediately goes OKAY TIME TO GET ALL MOODY AND **** **** UP AGAIN is a little disconcerting. At the start of the game he seems pretty cheery and normal, like you would expect after MGS4.
Abicion's perspective is valid, but I think he's making too big a deal out of too little information. I think that there's a lot more going on than Raiden simply being wounded and thinking IT'S GO TIME. _________________

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Abicion

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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| Gouto-Douji wrote: | | I was thinking they might kill Raiden's family, since that sure as hell would put him in a messed up state of mind. It also would give some meaning behind the subtitle "Revengeance". |
Yeah, because slaughtering his family in the opening moments of the game and completely unmaking all of the effort put into MG4's ending in a matter of seconds obviously wouldn't be cheap and contrived at all.
There's a reason why Austin Powers 2 made hilarious satire out of dealing with carry-over love interests in that fashion.
And that was in 1999. _________________ SOON.
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Gouto-Douji

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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Abicion wrote: | | Yeah, because slaughtering his family in the opening moments of the game and completely unmaking all of the effort put into MG4's ending obviously wouldn't be cheap and contrived at all. |
No more cheap and contrived as Nanomedicines being the reason for everything in MGS4. I highly doubt that they will do this though... this isn't Asura's Wrath. _________________
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