Rebuild of Evangelion

Beedig · Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 605 Location: High-Five City

Oh man this movie.

Anno what are you doing? I felt like nothing happened in this movie till the last 30 mins of the film.

Abicion · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:41 am Post subject:

oh are you watching that subbed camrip of 3.0?

That was the worst news I've seen all week.
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Gouto-Douji · Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 1967

Just watched the third Evangelion film and I'm a little lost for words.

JC · Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Posts: 353

I'll be waiting for the DVD so that I can figure out what actually happened in the third movie.

Action scenes aside, the script was good. The setting was quite a shock at first, but once I got used to it, I liked it. This is so different from the original series that I don't even want to compare the two, but I can at least say that it was enjoyable.

Gouto-Douji · Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 1967

The thing that was a shock for me, was actually seeing Yui getting put into Unit-01's core.

Abicion · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:01 am Post subject:

JC · Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Posts: 353

Whether or not the creators decided to go in a different direction with the movies to spark debates over the superiority of one versus the other, it doesn't bother me because I think a rehash of the series would be boring. It would be cool to see NGE with updated art in HD, but the series is fine in its own right. I would rather watch something new and unexpected.

Abicion · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:22 pm Post subject:

If you want to do your own thing with the Evangelion name, that's cool, but build your own ****ing sandbox to play around in during the first movie. Don't run with an established mythos for halfway through the story and then suddenly go oh nevermind we've randomly decided we don't want to be a good adaptation anymore.

The Rebuild series does it so goddamn poorly.
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JC · Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Posts: 353

It's not a faithful adaption to NGE, but arguing over whether it's good is something I don't feel like doing. I could cite its success or its rating on various websites, but ultimately it comes down to differing opinions. I think the original creator is entitled to changing his own story, and as far as I can tell, the actual mythos isn't being messed with at all. The events are different, but that's due to new characters and different actions of returning characters. Nothing about the actual background of Lilith, the second impact, angels, etc. is being changed.

Have you watched the third movie?

Abicion · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:54 am Post subject:

Beedig · Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 605 Location: High-Five City

I was waiting for this.

Abicion · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:26 am Post subject:

I hope I delivered.
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Beedig · Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 605 Location: High-Five City

oh you delivered perfectly.

JC · Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Posts: 353

I'm sure you could fine more than 20 people, Abicion, but discussions on how art should be evaluated objectively are almost always futile.

Anyway, I can't argue your first point because it's been too long since I watched NGE. Quite a few of your points seem like hasty judgments to me. The story isn't finished yet, and NGE left a number of things unanswered until the last couple of episodes. Hell, the conclusion raises more questions than it answers, and a lot of people find the End of Evangelion incomprehensible as well.

I don't complain about loose ends if the second book in a trilogy doesn't tie them together, but it seems like people were expecting 3.0 to answer more questions than it raised, which doesn't make sense to me. Most anime these days don't start answering questions until near the end. If the fourth movie fails to bring about answers, I'll be mad, but I can't fault the writing in that regard just yet since the story is still ongoing.

Yui's name is indeed Ikari Yui. Ayanami was her maiden name. It's the opposite of NGE, but I fail to see it as a problem. I don't think any subtlety was intended as Fuyutsuki blatantly told Shinji "Hey, Rei is your mom's clone" seconds before.

When Katsuragi was cheering Shinji, I don't think she had any idea that he would cause the third impact. He was trying to save Ayanami and destroy and destroy an angel in the process. In addition, Shinji most likely didn't hear her and would have disregarded any of her words in his mental state at the time. I would say that Katsuragi creating an organization in the attempt to fight NERV and being at constant war for the past 14 years is repentance enough. The collar was to keep a fourth impact from happening, which is justifiable. Perhaps everyone's treatment of Shinji was unfair, but in their eyes, he was the one who caused the destruction of the world, so their actions were realistic.

The Ayanami in 3.0 is different from the one in 2.0. I'm sure it was said that she was an earlier version of the series. In that case, she's a different character, and her behavior makes sense. It was hinted at early on that the Ayanami from 2.0 might still be alive, but like I said above, we'll have to wait and see.

In a world where giant robots created from an alien species are piloted by children (one of which is from a series of clones), having memories erased isn't a huge leap for me.

Gendo said in the second movie that he got rid of all Yui memorabilia. Shinji's memories were erased. Even if it seems convoluted or dumb to you, the foreshadowing and explanation makes sense.

Abicion · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:46 am Post subject:

But you're wrong.

But while you're stopping by: