Father hacks game, completely misses the point
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Conn
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| Accelerator wrote: | | I also agree with whoever said if they're going to make a protagonist a blank slate, they should really just have an option for both genders. It obviously doesn't bother me personally, but when the whole point of the game is to have a self insert character, I don't see why companies can't continue to go the extra mile and insert a female protagonist to choose from. |
Right, and this is exactly why the dad decided to do this: because LoZ lets you name the character whatever you want, and yet it you're still a dude anyway. It's not hard to see how a little girl might end up a little disappointed by this.
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but isn't the girl going to get disappointed anyway, when someone inevitably tells her that Link is a guy
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I appreciate the developmental milestone that his daughter is at and all, but...
My first thought of a videogame, even a non-toddler videogame, to have a THREE YEAR OLD play would not be LoZ. Like, at all.
Why couldn't he put a lot of effort into, say... finding a good videogame that wouldn't go way over her head AND would still be female-oriented.
Honestly, if he is THAT CONCERNED about gender role imprinting on his young and impressionable daughter, she shouldn't be watching ANY television, reading ANY magazines and most books, and shouldn't be playing most videogames. Oh, and she can't go to toy stores and can't go to any clothing stores or pharmacies or cosmetic places... AND she can't have anything pink, at all, or a lot of purple. Well, really, she would have to have picked them out herself, and the dad would assume she was not influenced by anyone by herself.
tl;dr While the idea is good, this isn't really going to help her that much. She isn't developmentally in a place to put herself INTO the game, and there are many other influences on gender roles that aren't even discussed.
Also, it always made me laugh at the games that tried to appeal to females late, like Pokemon. Crystal was excellent, but after Crystal, the female protagonist designs just got worse. And worse. And. Worse.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| WarriorAngel01 wrote: | | but isn't the girl going to get disappointed anyway, when someone inevitably tells her that Link is a guy |
She's not playing the game as Link— she's playing the game as herself. That's the whole point! This is supposed to make it a more immersive experience.
In later games, will she be disappointed there's no female option? It's possible. It's also possible it won't be such a big deal later on for her.
| Ziggaway wrote: | | My first thought of a videogame, even a non-toddler videogame, to have a THREE YEAR OLD play would not be LoZ. Like, at all. |
I am pretty sure this man knows his daughter better than you do.
| Quote: | | Why couldn't he put a lot of effort into, say... finding a good videogame that wouldn't go way over her head AND would still be female-oriented. |
"Female-oriented". Really?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| WarriorAngel01 wrote: | | but isn't the girl going to get disappointed anyway, when someone inevitably tells her that Link is a guy |
I'm pretty sure the father isn't going to make it a closely guarded secret that he modified the game.
The point of it was to make his daughter's experience with the game a little more enjoyable to her. I really doubt he was expecting to somehow shield his daughter from the existence of gender roles, sexism and/or the fact that most video game heroes are invariably male for her entire life. She's going to know her father modified the game, and she'll probably think it was a pretty nice thing to do.
Things like the main character's gender especially matter for young children, and it's pretty obvious why she'd enjoy what her father did. It won't be life-ruining to find out that her father actually did something to please her.
It's pretty much like he told a well-known story to his daughter, but changed the main character's gender because he knew his daughter'd like that and identify with the character. It's not **** life-ruining. Neither is it world-changing, so some of the attention that story got was somewhat unnecessary, but so what? It' still a dad being nice to his daughter.
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| Conn wrote: | | Taiyz wrote: | | If you think about it...Most of the Zelda games feature women as really powerful sages or whatever. Sure they're damsels in distress, but Link couldn't do anything without their help. |
That's not how gender roles work, guys. |
So basically you're saying that unless a girl is killing monsters and saving the universe, she isn't a strong character? OoT in particular has pretty well-characterized, strong sage characters if I remember correctly.
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| Conn wrote: | | I am pretty sure this man knows his daughter better than you do. |
No s***, Sherlock...
And obviously I understand childhood development better than you do, or your comment would have obviously been irrelevant...
At three, that game is inappropriate. Over multiple cognitive levels. And even if she does enjoy it, she won't enjoy it or get nearly as much out of it as a better game. Just KNOWING a child doesn't mean you know anything else, particularly about psychological development.
But it doesn't really matter. I even said I don't really care that much, I just don't understand.
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oh hey look it's ziggaway being a moron again
how is wind waker at all inappropriate for a three year old? It's a very silly, light hearted game and her dad is there to supervise. While I doubt she's diving into the dungeons and solving puzzles(but hey, who knows) there's still plenty of fun for a child of that age to explore such an expansive, colorful and welcoming world.
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The way I see it, if a father wants to hack a game to provide better entertainment for his daughter, let em. Its been proven that children will pick up certain values from a very young age. LoZ is an odd choice no doubt but it's better than say Barbie. >.>;
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| Taiyz wrote: | | So basically you're saying that unless a girl is killing monsters and saving the universe, she isn't a strong character? OoT in particular has pretty well-characterized, strong sage characters if I remember correctly. |
No, I'm saying that "power", by and of itself, does not make a strong character. The sages are really powerful in the game's lore, but their role in the story is essentially to be kidnapped, rescued and give Link new skills. Most of the time they're hardly even characters, let alone strong ones.
| Ziggaway wrote: | | No s***, Sherlock... |
Then it stands to reason that he knows what's appropriate for his daughter and what's not, and you're just making unfounded assumptions.
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| Accelerator wrote: | | how is wind waker at all inappropriate for a three year old? It's a very silly, light hearted game and her dad is there to supervise. While I doubt she's diving into the dungeons and solving puzzles(but hey, who knows) there's still plenty of fun for a child of that age to explore such an expansive, colorful and welcoming world. |
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worst thread on tales forum
this is embarrassing to the point of irritation
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Man, if only there was some Nintendo IP with a female Link...
Oh, wait:
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| Divinus Fulmen wrote: | Man, if only there was some Nintendo IP with a female Link...
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Well, it's not like Metroid is particularly sexist at all, but then there's hardly any indication of her gender most of the time and the main reward for full completion of the games is seeing her in skimpier clothing.
but that's irrelevant because no one even said Nintendo had no prominent female characters and the man's daughter wasn't playing Metroid so why are we even talking about this
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