Zelos and the Renegades

Batman · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: Zelos and the Renegades

So, I know I should know everything about Zelos, but I started thinking..

Why does Zelos leak information to the Renegades? What purpose does it serve him? I can't see how it wold possibly be beneficial to him. I can only see negatives. Technically by leaking information, the Renegades screw around with the party, which results in possibly making things worst for Cruxis, who he has made his deal with.

Is there a scene I may have missed? Does Yuan have him by the balls or something? I can't see Yuan being one who is able to release him from his fate of the Chosen, so what's the purpose? Is it just one of those unexplained things, that just really makes no sense?
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Soryu · Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Posts: 921

Well, let me think...

Up to a point within the story the Renegades are one of the possible winning parties. They do have a neat infiltration system Cruxis just cannot get a hold of, the Mana Cannon up their sleeves and they've succesfully assasinated EVERY Chosen of Sylvarant for the last 800 years (!), which is probably the entire span of their existence to this point. Yuan's shows his cunningness by walking in and out of Cruxis without them ever noticing what he's doing. The Renegades ARE doing well up to a point and while they cannot release Zelos from being the Chosen, they have a good chance of getting rid of the entire system once and for all.

This changes drastically, however, within the course of the game. Probably starting with Botta losing his life due to the main heroes screwing it up (WHY didn't you kill Rodyle off, you IDIOTS?!) the Renegades' chances of accomplishing anything, if even surviving the entire operation, decrease bit by bit and Yuan's misjudgement of the Great Seed's condition eventually leads to a horrible disaster almost ending the world then and there. THAT's the point where Zelos does not gain any advantages from being on their side anymore - and it results in betraying Yuan at Altessa's house. Zelos is the one putting the operation into action there by drugging up the rest of the party. He knows DAMN WELL that Mithos is Yggdrasill and that he's going to GUT Yuan if he ever realises he's the leader of the Renegades. Still he does not warn Yuan and lets him run right into a trap. I always wonder whether this point was some kind of gamble for Zelos. All three optional parties to team up meet there at Altessa's, after all - it could have been easy to just decide on which he was to join by watching who'd SURVIVE.

Zelos seemed to be quite a time with the Renegades, though. When he basically tells Lloyd to shut the f*ck up in Yuan's office after Stupid Island Ranch (TM), he says that Yuan and Botta have spent a looooong time together and what they could say would not matter now. This implies strongly that he's been spending some time in their presence, too - otherwise he couldn't comment on their (strong) relationship.

Well, like I said in the beginning - the Renegades were one of the three possible winners; before Lloyd appeared in Zelos' life even one of only two. I don't think Yuan had to have Zelos "by his balls" (XD) to make him report to someone who could be the last man standing in the end.
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Batman · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:45 am Post subject:

That's actually a really good point. I didn't think of it that way. I didn't even think that about the Altessa's house scene either in that way either. Hmm, that makes a ton of sense.

Hahaha, That's quite interesting, I wonder how many other things I didn't look at in a different perspective, I might very well be missing out on more deeper meanings to scenes.

Thanks for the post!! ;D
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Soryu · Joined: 28 Oct 2009 Posts: 921

sistaofpeace1 · Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject:

I always thought Zelos was just really manipulative like that, that he went along with them as well just to see how things would play out. All he really wanted was to free himself from the status of the Chosen...

...Wait. I just realized...if Cruxis is destroyed via the Renegades, then that pretty much abolishes the Chosen system too, right? Well Yuan's purpose was to reunite the worlds via Origin and the Great Seed, so...I would imagine Zelos would also have no need to be the Chosen afterwards then. [rereads Soryu's post -- yeah it's pretty much what she said too XD]
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