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Elysia
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 Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:57 am Post subject: |
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I HATE that a character is only popular based on who voiced him or that he's an expy of an extremely popular character (like Suzaku).
I found it funny that we kept getting stump just trying to think of something...
But, we got that he's a good troll target because of his slowness, but, is that really a positive thing? (especially for him)
I kinda think Hubert out badass him in that department (and there was no objection), so Asbel is overshadowed. (I find everyone else battle style to being more fun and unique). Well, Richard is pretty generic... but he managed to do Oborotsukiyo a bit more fabulous than Asbel with his one-leg twirl. O_O
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Elysia wrote: | DANGER EVERYONE! I had a thought...
"Asbel popularity is mostly based on the facts that he is voiced by Takahiro Sakurai AND is an expy of Suzaku---both of which are EXTREMELY popular with HUGE fanbase (and I'm not exaggerating)."
Which resulted in me and a couple of friends sitting around thinking about how exactly Asbel is so popular. Then we came the conclusion.... WAIT!? He has MOAR negative qualities than positive ones! And his positive qualities aren't even that great since there other characters who does it better in a more fashionable way.
Now I'm stuck....in this state of mind. What if Asbel popularity is mostly just based on who his seiiyuu is and who he's an expy of.
Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!! This is horrible! >_<
(Note: Not saying that Asbel is a bad lead character, just that he's generic and meh. It doesn't help that I find lots of people who mainly talks about his appearance and how cute he is....... rather than his character.. (which I find to be such a shallow reason to like a character...) |
Then I guess this makes Collette an absolutely terrible character because the majority of her popularity comes from being voiced by a singer and 'not much else.' In Japan that's just mostly how it rolls for a majority of their characters in any fandom. Voices and cameo-like designs.
What are the flaws you see in Asbel? What are his positives? (It'd make fleshing out my opinions easier)
Because I couldn't care less about Suzaku or his voice actor but I very much adore Asbel for who he is and he's one of my most favorite Tales leads for many reasons I may get tl;dr about. My second most favorite character in all of Graces.
The popularity polls that Namco make is used for marketing purposes anyways on who to milk/tamper with next anyways ):
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't say it made him a terrible character  I just meant that it'll be a disappointment if that's one of major factors in why he's so popular. ...Which I don't believe is entirely true. But honestly, what I want to hear most is why people like Asbel with good reasons and not just cause he's cute and cool, cause that doesn't explain much. Maybe I'm just asking the wrong people...
Really, the only thing I don't like about Asbel is his way of thinking. The more I think of it, the more I wonder, what made him so sure that if he disappear to become stronger for seven years in order to protect those precious to him, yet failed to keep in close contact with them, then what made him think everything would be all fine and dandy when he returns. I can see why Cheria was so cold to him in the beginning. He kind of brought it all on himself.
But, what I like most of Asbel is kindness and his interaction with Richard and Sophie. His determination to save his precious tomodachi's. Also, I like that he's makes for a good troll target. I find him kind of boring when he's not being troll'd.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Really, the only thing I don't like about Asbel is his way of thinking. The more I think of it, the more I wonder, what made him so sure that if he disappear to become stronger for seven years in order to protect those precious to him, yet failed to keep in close contact with them, then what made him think everything would be all fine and dandy when he returns. I can see why Cheria was so cold to him in the beginning. He kind of brought it all on himself. |
He was a kid back then, he didn't know better. He himself acknowledges he screwed up after realizing just how much out of the loop he was when he came back to Lhant during the Lord of Lhant Arc.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | He was a kid back then, he didn't know better. He himself acknowledges he screwed up after realizing just how much out of the loop he was when he came back to Lhant during the Lord of Lhant Arc. |
Oh okay. That's understandable. 
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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I really liked this arc. Usually, when a character leaves to go to knight school or whatever, you expect him to come back as a hero, but here this decision almost ruined all his relationships, and because of it, he failed to do what he left to the academy for (protect). His father died and he didn't even learn about it until after the funeral, and for a long time, his little brother was better at protecting Lhant. He's lucky it turned all right in the end ^^
But anyway, what I wanted to say is that I found it pretty original and interesting.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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D'aw, the answers are wonderful. <3 I love it.
Thanks Yume.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Elysia wrote: | | I didn't say it made him a terrible character |
I know you didn't but I was wondering where you were getting at since your post was pretty vague without saying why you thought he was full of flaws/ generic besides him being popular in japan for his voice/design.
So I wanted you to expand so I can answer your 'why people may like Asbel.' discussion.
| Quote: | | Really, the only thing I don't like about Asbel is his way of thinking. The more I think of it, the more I wonder, what made him so sure that if he disappear to become stronger for seven years in order to protect those precious to him, yet failed to keep in close contact with them, then what made him think everything would be all fine and dandy when he returns. I can see why Cheria was so cold to him in the beginning. He kind of brought it all on himself. |
He was 11 years old and highly influential especially towards praise like any 11 year old boy was. Graces was good in making children actually children, unlike most fiction where 11-15 year old heroes don't behave like kids and are very capable of anything. Graces kids were not and still developing. His father was far more strict and imposing in authority which his rambunctious personality didn't reply well to so he kept rebelling him and trying to prove what an adult that he was.
He found knights cool and thought they were stronger and done more than a mayor like position could do. He wanted action and adventure so he was hell bent on Knighting even before the even where Sophie and the others were gravely injured. When they became injured and his father thought not only was he a bad influence on Hubert, he was at fault for Sophie's 'death'.
He felt that he had to focus and get his act together, and focused every fiber of his being into the task to not only become a good influence, someone admirable, but to be able to protect as well. Asbel comes off as very one track minded and his sheer focus on becoming a powerful knight displays this. Instead of being told he's one track minded or wants to do something, we're shown why and his actions.
He was naive and stupid, and he himself acknowledges it and does his best to repent for what he's done. I like that he was able to display sadness, regret and all that while still trying to correct at the same time, even breaking down every now and then in the process. Since we're shown why he's this way, why everyone is this way, it makes connecting to him all the easier. We saw everything unfold, what he's been through, how much he's going through to make a difference.
| Quote: | | But, what I like most of Asbel is kindness and his interaction with Richard and Sophie. His determination to save his precious tomodachi's. |
This is where his characterization shine most. His care for his friends isn't like a personality exaggeration but who he is. Even as a child he was very into friendship and team work, befriending any and all so they get to experience the feeling he enjoys. While he was a jerk as a kid on one hand, he was still simultaneously kind too. (Like when Sophie wonders if Cheria and Hubert should sign the tree as well, Asbel insist they are fine and still apart of him as a childhood friend and sibling.)
When he's an adult, his reason for constantly doting on them all and being so frightful of their protection was again, the reminder of the feelings he has. Asbel seems to react strongly to emotional stimuli than the other characters and the reminder of them. He seems more emotionally in-tuned than the other tales heroes were (especially the hot blooded ones)
He hides his enthusiasm and passions inside a lot because he felt that's what hurt everyone before and tries to be diligent and polite if that means it will keep everyone protected and make him a responsible adult. He soon learns that he can still be himself and keep his loved ones safe, his adult persona and locked away child persona then become one into what I find to be a nice mesh. He's passionate and strong/straight forward, while also being kind and polite as well, finding the right moment for those traits than acting on impulse.
While he's mature, he's still naive at heart too. I see him as one of the most mature heroes in the series. Yuri's pretty mature, but he's a more worldly/jaded mature. Asbel is emotionally mature in that fatherly way.
| Quote: | | I find him kind of boring when he's not being troll'd. |
Don't get me wrong, though, I respect that you find him boring I just wanted to answer/show what I love about Asbel Lhant.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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D'aw
YES!~ <3 These are just the answer I was looking for when I started questioning people about him. ...or something like that. I was feeling disappointed that not many could find good answers, or any, when I asked them. Nicely put Curimuch. And Yume. I love it!
I like to hear/read people's opinion most of all. ;D
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Another thing I wanna add is that some people will find Asbel boring because he's so real in a fantasy setting where over bloated characters tend to exist (especially in tales). Not only that, but that he's not the best at things like a lot of heroes are. Asbel in fact, does not have main character powers at all in Graces. He's not invincible to consequences (Even Yuri is guilty of this), he's not the strongest, and he **** things up and it **** him up in the process.
Even in the skills department he's not the best.
Hubert is more trained than he is and is very organized. Richard is well, king and on magical steroids, and Sophie is stronger than everyone/comparable to raw energy. Asbel also dropped out of school while being a trainee while the previously mentioned characters finished/continued their extensive studies. While Asbel did drop out, it was not a fix to anything but leaving things still hanging. You know with Hubert's "THINGS DON'T WORK THAT WAY, BRO! YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN HERE THE FIRST PLACE" which was another slap in the face.
Plot also contributions to his characterization.
I like that he's an everyday dude than a super badass hero.
I forgot to mention that, though :U
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yay~ ;D
(pic of the moment)
brb, hopping on the random express for another random thought.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Nicely put, Curi
Another part of him that I liked was his relationship with Lambda.
| spoiler wrote: | | He mainly chose to let Lambda use his body so that Sophie wouldn't have to sacrifice herself, but that wasn't all. He also wanted to show Lambda that humans had good traits too. And he kept believing in Lambda, even if Lambda himself considered him a fool for it. I think that's ultimately why Lambda warmed up to him - because he never gave up on him. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:52 am Post subject: |
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So, let's move on to the next member of the trio.
Sophie ! Hm..................... so, let's talk about why we like Sophie now.
...Or is just because of her adorableness 
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