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Jessamyn
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I already have. I'm not explaining it again, Conn. What it comes down to is that you firmly believe you're right and anyone who disagrees is automatically wrong. Have fun with that, because this topic really isn't worth the argument. 
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Conn
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uh ... alright, then.
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eoghan
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Just like Conn, I don't think Chloe would have reacted like Shirley just because Senel would reject her.
And even thouh Senel's rejection helped in Shirley's decision to become the Merines, it is not the only reason that makes her do so. Surely all the hope the Ferines have with her becoming the Merines and saving them by doing so put pression on her and there's the Altar of the Sea's events too. Seeing Orerines soldiers kill defenseless Ferines right in front of her, calling them monsters and Fenimore's death helped a lot.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Nobody in Legendia is as stupid as Shirley*, so, no, that wouldn't happen.
* Not including how stupid everyone acts by casually letting Shirley off the hook for attempted genocide
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| Jessamyn wrote: | | I'd like to say she wouldn't, but I can't honestly be sure. When you take the fact that she stabs Senel because he gets in her way, we can't know for sure what Chloe would be capable of. |
Her mind was clouded due to her overwhelming vengeance, even though it's obvious he didn't want to kill her Senel was still a physical threat to her, and she feels terrible about it afterwards.
Hardly the same compared to Shirley who goes the genocide route because Senel said "LOL NO!" to her romance declaration.
If Stella was still around she should have slapped her little sis for even attempting that when he's still in mourning! 
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Blasphemy
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree that Chloe wouldn't do that due to the points presented and explained above. Also Jessamyn,
| Jessamyn wrote: | | I already have. I'm not explaining it again, Conn. What it comes down to is that you firmly believe you're right and anyone who disagrees is automatically wrong. Have fun with that, because this topic really isn't worth the argument. |
They did present to you valid points and you did not refute that well. Even IF they didn't address the point you were trying to make, Conn and ryuu seika still came up with other ones that stand true and you pretty much ignored with the excuse "that's not what I meant". Senel may not have been a mental threat, but he was STILL a physical one, which a person is more likely to respond to when they are not thinking straight. For example, being drunk. You are not thinking straight then, so if someone approaches you and appears to be a physical threat and not a mental one (mental probably isn't the right word but I can't think of anything else), you're still going to fight them anyway, even if they are your friend because you mind will not register them as friend until you are no longer drunk. Same thing with Chloe except she's not drunk, but close to the same case.
That, and Conn is right. Within the context of Chloe's character the game doesn't really show her hurting someone over rejection. She was never rejected in the first place and like stated before she came to terms with the fact that she and Senel are not going to be (within the game at least).
Friendship unfortunately isn't reason enough not to stab someone these days. Chloe's mind was not only on vengeance but was clouded with hate and anger, therefore not thinking straight. Also if I remember right, smoke took control over her (from Schwartz). In the end, the stab isn't enough evidence to say that Chloe would hurt someone over rejection due to Chloe's mind being clouded by revenge and hatred of Stingle (forgot his real name, sorry! >_<"). She probably did realize at that instant that she stabbed Senel, however her mind was most likely more focused on other things so that probably wasn't her biggest worry at that moment. "Getting in her way" was part of the reason why she stabbed him but I don't think all of it.
I DO see where you are coming from, but I don't think the points you presented are for the right question. The better question for that would have been "Would Chloe become Merines over justice and/or revenge?" The answer to that would be closer to yes but still uncertain since it has not happened in ToL so we wouldn't know. Lastly, eoghan presented another important point in this debate; Shirley had other reasons that made her become the Merines along with the initial rejection.
Sorry for the really long post, but that's just something I wanted to get off of my chest. I know I'm probably off on the argument somewhere, but hell, I tried. 
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eoghan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:09 am Post subject: |
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That was a really great post, Blasphemy!
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| Blasphemy wrote: | | The better question for that would have been "Would Chloe become Merines over justice and/or revenge?" The answer to that would be closer to yes but still uncertain since it has not happened in ToL so we wouldn't know. |
The answer to that would likely still have been a no as Chloe only has reason to hate an individual, not an entire group of people. Even in that frame of mind Chloe would likely realise that killing everyone for the sake vengeance against just one of them is not the right path to take.
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Blasphemy
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| ryuu seika wrote: | | The answer to that would likely still have been a no as Chloe only has reason to hate an individual, not an entire group of people. Even in that frame of mind Chloe would likely realise that killing everyone for the sake vengeance against just one of them is not the right path to take. |
True, didn't think about it that way.
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Jessamyn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, the whole thing wasn't worth arguing over, anyway, since it's hypothetical and we will never know who would be right. That's why I didn't even bother to continue with it, so your response toward me was basically a waste of time. Sorry. >_<
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Conn
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| Jessamyn wrote: | | Honestly, the whole thing wasn't worth arguing over, anyway, since it's hypothetical and we will never know who would be right. |
You're right, we should never discuss anything that can't happen. Speculation is pointless!
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| Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| This was truly a stirring debate. Thanks, Conn and everyone else. |
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