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Yume Hanabi
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 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: ToS remake ideas |
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So I was playing ToS PS2 and dying stupidely. I tried more than once to use free run, only to realize that this was ToS and free run didn't exist back then.
So I thought, a ToS with free run would be cool.
So I'm going to imitate kryptonite on the Abyss boards and post my ideas for a remake.
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I'd like it to be on a HD console (PS3<3), because Symphonia with Vesperia-like graphics would be godly.
What I'd add:
Artes:
All their unused ones.
- For Colette, she'd need to get an angel skill at each seal. Angel Feathers at Triet, Holy Song at Thoda, Fiat Lux at Balacruf, Sacrifice at the Tower of Mana and Judgment at the Tower of Salvation.
Holy Song should heal a bit. Fiat Lux would be like a reversed Holy Song: deal some damage to the enemy and debuff them. Take the incantation from the song's lyrics (but not all of them because it'd be too long).
Sephiroth as a hi-ougi (the incantation's too long and badass for a simple spell) that she'd get later in the game.
Give her Shining Bind, while we're at it.
- More angelic spells for Kratos, plus the possibility to have him fight with his wings out. More hi-ougi (at least something unique to him).
- Zelos Flash as Zelos' main hi-ougi.
- Give Sheena ToW:RM2's ninja descender's hi-ougi
- Make Zelos and Kratos's move list more different.
- Hi-ougi for all bosses. Give Shining Bind to Remiel and Yuan too.
- More ninja artes for Sheena.
- Physical artes for Raine and Genis.
Gameplay:
- Possibility to have more skills (the Gem Skills system was cool, but very limited).
- Unison attack with more than two characters.
- Affection system between all characters, possibility to raise affection with healing (like in Innocence), cooking etc, easy access to the affection stats (like in Hearts), more skits that give you the possibility to raise affection, let affection affect the gameplay a bit more (like a character would first heal the character he or she likes best etc) but hinder character development less (put more of their backstories in sidequests other than the Flanoir and Heimdall conversations, plz).
- More fights at the coliseum, possibility to fight your other party.
Story:
- Heimdall scene with Kratos. Also, he wouldn't leave to DK if you pick him at Flanoir.
- Possibility to keep both Kratos and Zelos (like if you pick Kratos at Flanoir but Zelos has very high affection for Lloyd or something).
- More sidequests.
- Explain Exspheres and High Exspheres better (the Angelus Project etc).
- More about the Kharlan War.
Other:
- More costumes. A school set would be cool. Tales cosplay with artes (for example Presea as Sophie, Colette as Estelle, Raine as Annie, Sheena as Innes, Lloyd as Spada etc - any idea for the others?). Kimono set (sidequest in Mizuho). Also possibility to mix different hairstyles with different costumes like in ToV PS3, but this time do it for everything.
- Nam Cobanda Isle.
- Marta, Aster, Richter, Decus and Alice cameo (nothing big, but just show them in some way). Some mention of the Centurion system/Ratatosk would be nice too.
- Show what Anna looked like (like show us the picture of the locket, for example).
- More anime scenes. At the Tower of Salavation, for example (after the fight with Yggy, when he crashes Lloyd into the pillar).
Any other idea?
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Lunar Eclipse
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: ToS remake ideas |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | - For Colette, she'd need to get an angel skill at each seal. Angel Feathers at Triet, Holy Song at Thoda, Fiat Lux at Balacruf, Sacrifice at the Tower of Mana and Judgment at the Tower of Salvation. |
Doesn't she already get this in the PS2 version with Grand Cross? I mean, I realize that's more specifically after the Pronyma battle, but they could just as easily move it to a seal.
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It would be nice if it was related to a Seal and she got a new Angel Skill from leveling. I mean, easy vs. hard path there is always a Seal that she learns nothing at.
Easy path:
Seal of Fire (Triet) - Angel Feathers
Seal of Water (Thoda Geyser) - Holy Song
Seal of Wind (Balacruf Mausoleum) - Nothing
Seal of Light (Tower of Mana) - Sacrifice
Final Seal (Tower of Salvation) Judgment
Hard path: (assuming the Seal of Wind is done before the Seal of Light)
Seal of Fire (Triet) - Angel Feathers
Seal of Wind (Balacruf Mausoleum) - Holy Song
Seal of Light (Tower of Mana) - Judgment
Seal of Water (Thoda Geyser) - Nothing
Final Seal (Tower of Salvation) - Sacrifice
Grand Cross may have originally been the Angel Skill she would learn at the Seal of Wind or Seal of Water (easy vs. hard) and Sephiroth would have either been a Hi Ougi or an Angel Skill learnt by leveling as like Grand Cross in the PS2 version.
This is purely speculation, though. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | Heimdall scene with Kratos. Also, he wouldn't leave to DK. |
Fix'd. ^.~
I like a lot of your changes though. Not so sure I like the idea of all the bosses having Hi-ougi's though. o.o Though if they did it like Dawn of the New World, where you're left with 1 hit point that would be okay.
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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*facepalm*
I forgot Grand Cross...
So yeah, move Grand Cross to a seal.
I'd still like Fiat Lux as an angel spell though.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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As much as I agree with an Abyss remake, I don't think a Symphonia remake is all that good of an idea. I think they did really good the first time around, and if they tried it again, they might screw it over, and make it different from the Symphonia we know and love.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: ToS remake ideas |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | - Make Zelos and Kratos's move list more different.
- Hi-ougi for all bosses.
- Physical artes for Raine and Genis. |
- YES
- Don't forget cut-ins 
- ... would that really work? I dunno, I think maybe it would be better to give them more support artes, etc.
| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | - Possibility to keep both Kratos and Zelos (like if you pick Kratos at Flanoir but Zelos has very high affection for Lloyd or something). |
I think that one should be able to choose Kratos or Zelos, regardless of what ending you have eg. Get the Colette ending, but still have Kratos as a party member.
| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | - More costumes. A school set would be cool. Tales cosplay with artes (for example Presea as Sophie, Colette as Estelle, Raine as Annie, Sheena as Innes, Lloyd as Spada etc - any idea for the others?). |
Regal should have a Woodrow costume, IMO |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | I'd still like Fiat Lux as an angel spell though. |
I'm not sure about that.
First off, the name is completely out of place:
Angel Feathers, Holy Song, Judgment, ...Fiat Lux
Also, Fiat Lux essentially is Holy Song, that's what I think they were making reference to in the OVA. Yes it's different but the idea of it being a song makes me think so.
Finally, it's only really good because of the song and for obvious reasons that couldn't be used in the game. |
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And don't forget that the OP's suggestion of a reverse holy song already exists: Mithos's Retribution.
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If they remake ToS, there needs to be a subplot where they build a time machine and recruit Mint from the future.
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| Smugleaf wrote: | | If they remake ToS, there needs to be a subplot where they build a time machine and recruit Mint from the future. |
Why would they recruit someone useless?
I mean, literally she would be. Raine can do anything Mint can PLUS she has offensive spells.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Smugleaf wrote: | | If they remake ToS, there needs to be a subplot where they build a time machine and recruit Mint from the future. |
I support this idea.
really though, Aselia needs to die, seriously.
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| Quote: | | If they remake ToS, there needs to be a subplot where they build a time machine and recruit Mint from the future. |
Remakes need to be better than the original, Mint would just be a giant zit on the face of Aselia. |
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| Generic_Loli wrote: | | really though, Aselia needs to die, seriously. |
I wouldn't expect it to die any time soon. It's one of the more powerful branches of the brand in terms of sales, so they're likely to fall back on it every now and then.
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I'd say their best marketing option would be an official story manga for DotNW, then. No remakes, no prequels, no spin-offs or useless drama CDs... Just a manga based on DotNW.
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