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ryuu seika
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IIRC mithos has some kendama proficiency. besides, all main characters end up becoming godly throughout the story. mithos probably starts with fireball and nothing else. sword techs come later and summons are probably simmilar to colletts angel techs in obtainability. sure, once he gets his angel techs he really will be a god character but surely he looses the help of his followers at that stage so he needs to be a bit strong. maybe not the most original character but very few swordsmen are and he could certainly get some different techs. maybe something like asbels wind based attacks, they would tie in nicely with plume dhaos atleast.
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| Divinus Ratio wrote: | | Is this a thread saying that ToS needs a prequel? If so, I concur. |
No it doesn't. This game needs to be left alone.
And no I don't miss him.
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In Tales of Fandom 2, Mithos is shown fighting with a Sword. In DotNW, he's pictured at Mural Cave in Asgard wearing a bow.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| AY_A2 wrote: | | In Tales of Fandom 2, Mithos is shown fighting with a Sword. In DotNW, he's pictured at Mural Cave in Asgard wearing a bow. |
Of course in Symphonia Mithos still holds possession of The Eternal Sword, shame he never used it in combat... 
But yeah further proof that Dawn sucks and actually glad Mithos is kept out of it.
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Wait, what? That's Mithos? I thought the drawing in that cavern was a cameo picture of Natalia.
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| FireG wrote: | | Divinus Ratio wrote: | | Is this a thread saying that ToS needs a prequel? If so, I concur. |
No it doesn't. This game needs to be left alone.
And no I don't miss him. |
Yes it does.
@PrismSwordsman: Kratos says he met the Centurions, so we know that they must have had some dealing with Ratatosk.
Also remeber that all 4 of them gain Curxis crystals at one point, this would probably be the point in the game where everyone unlocks their hi-ougi. They would not have any angle powers before that.
I want a prequel to learn more about their 5th party member. Why do they hide his identity in Symphonia? We don't even really know anything about this person.
How many other where the 4 traveling with? Did they all agree with carzy Mithos? Or do they end up fighting?
What started the war?
If we don't get a game, we should least get a novel explaining all of this. I bet none of you would argue that.
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of course he says he met the centurions. How else would they try to make sense out of it. We don't need a game or a novel destroying the mysticism/mythology of the 4 original heroes. I'm talking about ToS. Not ToS2. They messed up things big time (imo). The game does a pretty damn good job explaining about who Kratos, Yuan, Mithos and Martel were/are. Go back and replay Symphonia. None of them agreed with Mithos and his methods. Kratos was too weak to stop Mithos. He admits it himself. He did break free from Mithos for a short period of time. He meets Anna and Ding-dong out pops Lloyd. They try to escape and Kvar kills Anna. Kratos goes back like a dog with his tail between his legs; back to Mithos' side. I love Kratos as much as anyone, but that's the truth. He believed that if he jumped when his master told him to everything would work out fine. When you playthrough ToS again, pick Kratos at Flanoir. That'll answer your question even better than I can. Yuan rebelled against Mithos, i.e. the Renegades. Martel scolded Mithos for his crimes against the world. They were ostracized from Heimdall and hated by both sides. I highly doubt they found many supporters aside from the summon spirits and, mainly, Origin. They also explicitly say that the war was caused because Tethe'alla and Sylvarant were fighting over the control of the world's supply of mana. Like I said before, you really need to go back and play Tales of Symphonia. As or the 5th member, not too sure who your referring to.
We don't need to keep digging once we've struck gold is all I'm trying to get across.
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| Divinus Ratio wrote: | | I want a prequel to learn more about their 5th party member. Why do they hide his identity in Symphonia? We don't even really know anything about this person. |
That's because you're making him up. There was no fifth party member.
There was a human who betrayed them, yes, but never any indication that this person travelled with them or even knew them that well before Martel was killed.
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Divinus Ratio
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| Meowzy wrote: | | Divinus Ratio wrote: | | I want a prequel to learn more about their 5th party member. Why do they hide his identity in Symphonia? We don't even really know anything about this person. |
That's because you're making him up. There was no fifth party member.
There was a human who betrayed them, yes, but never any indication that this person travelled with them or even knew them that well before Martel was killed. |
That's my point. We know nothing about this person. He could have traveled with them, or he could have just been a not so friendly innkeeper. He has the potential to be anyone or anything.
| PrismSwordsman wrote: | of course he says he met the centurions. How else would they try to make sense out of it. We don't need a game or a novel destroying the mysticism/mythology of the 4 original heroes. I'm talking about ToS. Not ToS2. They messed up things big time (imo). The game does a pretty damn good job explaining about who Kratos, Yuan, Mithos and Martel were/are. Go back and replay Symphonia. None of them agreed with Mithos and his methods. Kratos was too weak to stop Mithos. He admits it himself. He did break free from Mithos for a short period of time. He meets Anna and Ding-dong out pops Lloyd. They try to escape and Kvar kills Anna. Kratos goes back like a dog with his tail between his legs; back to Mithos' side. I love Kratos as much as anyone, but that's the truth. He believed that if he jumped when his master told him to everything would work out fine. When you playthrough ToS again, pick Kratos at Flanoir. That'll answer your question even better than I can. Yuan rebelled against Mithos, i.e. the Renegades. Martel scolded Mithos for his crimes against the world. They were ostracized from Heimdall and hated by both sides. I highly doubt they found many supporters aside from the summon spirits and, mainly, Origin. They also explicitly say that the war was caused because Tethe'alla and Sylvarant were fighting over the control of the world's supply of mana. Like I said before, you really need to go back and play Tales of Symphonia. As or the 5th member, not too sure who your referring to.
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Why would expanding the story ruin it? I just don't understand this logic. More is worse?
I watched the Fandom CD. Yes, I know that none of them absolutely agreed with Mithos, but the three of them still went along with his plan, for awhile a least.
I was saying that maybe they had more people in their group that did not agree with them so much that they tried killing Mithos. But this is just my idea on how they can expand the story, and has nothing to to with the existing canon.
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| Divinus Ratio wrote: | | FireG wrote: | | Divinus Ratio wrote: | | Is this a thread saying that ToS needs a prequel? If so, I concur. |
No it doesn't. This game needs to be left alone.
And no I don't miss him. |
Yes it does. |
No it does not, Aselia should be left alone after the OVA is finished it does not need anything else added to it.
| Quote: | | I want a prequel to learn more about their 5th party member. Why do they hide his identity in Symphonia? We don't even really know anything about this person. |
There is no fifth, there were only four in the group. The guy's just nameless fodder to set up a plot point.
| Quote: | | What started the war? |
The two sides of the world started butting heads over the mana supply.
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*enthusiastic applause* thank you my friend.
Also his plan of mass genocide didn't start until after martel's death. I reiterate GO BACK AND REPLAY THE GAME! It's written there plain as day: "This is only a misinterpretation of Martel's last wish."
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