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Axelhander
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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: Supported control methods |
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Got the chance to play New World at PAX but the Namco rep (or Nintendo rep, not sure which) told me something disheartening: the game only has Wiimote + nunchuk controls, and no support for GameCube controllers.
After my rather visible disappointment, he changed his story, and said he wasn't entirely sure.
Has this been confirmed?
If GC controllers CAN be used: ignore the rest of my post.
If not, then that's extremely disappointing. Another prominent Wii sequel to a popular GameCube title (Smash Bros.) made a point of including GC controller support, and given that the Wiimote seems to do nothing in battle the GC controller would make a far easier controller to use.
What also sucks about this, if true, is that the only reason I play Tales games is for the coop multiplayer. Specifically, I play each game with two other people. I have four GC controllers, all relatively new. But, alas, only two Wiimotes and one nunchuk.
So my choices would be as follows:
1) Buy New World, another Wiimote, another battery pack + charger for it (or AA batteries in bulk), two nunchuks, and as the three of us play the game I stare in disgust at my unused GC controllers.
2) Protest the choice by not buying New World, saving money on both the game and all the additional stuff I'd have to buy to play it with two other people, but know that my singular protest means nothing when a good number of Tales fans, too in love with the series to objectively criticize design choices like this, will still buy it. |
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Atlas
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| GCN remotes can't be used since the ring uses motion controls. |
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: |
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I think it's a good thing they don't give us the choice. It's a Wii, use the Wii equipment!
I like the Wiimote. It's kinda hard to play Abyss or Symphonia after Ratatosk, 'cause the GC or PS2 controllers seem so big and heavy and not easy to use.
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feder
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard plenty of reasons why people don't want the game, but this is a new one...
Really, I don't think that Namco will really listen to you, even if you protest to not buy the game. There are many people who are disappointed that you can't use the GCN controller, but for the most part that's not a huge issue among fans.
Personally, I feel like it would be taking a step down for KoR to use the gamecube controller. I personally loved using the gamecube controller with ToS and was a little sad to have to switch controllers once I started playing Abyss and Legendia, but I got over it. The Wii is the same way for me. Different system, different controls.
I can't comment on the controls yet as I haven't played the game, but I really think that Namco wanted to focus on making this a Wii game, not just a sequel of ToS. Namco must have felt that a Wii game needs to use the Wii controller, not the previous controller.
At any rate, I've played a vast number of games with the Wii remote controller and it really gets quite comfortable after a while. It's nice not having to trip over cords (I never got the wireless GCN controllers). |
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Axelhander
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Atlus wrote: | | GCN remotes can't be used since the ring uses motion controls. |
That I know. I think it's silly that an entire control scheme dominates the game because of this. If that's the only reason, then the Sorcerer's Ring button could, on a GC controller, bring up a crosshair or something.
| Yume Hanabi wrote: | I think it's a good thing they don't give us the choice. It's a Wii, use the Wii equipment!
I like the Wiimote. It's kinda hard to play Abyss or Symphonia after Ratatosk, 'cause the GC or PS2 controllers seem so big and heavy and not easy to use. |
It's NEVER a good thing to limit control options. Ever. If I could use GC controllers, there'd be nothing stopping you from using the Wiimote + nunchuk. The key word is choice.
And the GC controller IS Wii equipment. There are ports on the Wii for it and GC controllers are still manufactured.
| yaminokaitou wrote: | I've heard plenty of reasons why people don't want the game, but this is a new one...
Really, I don't think that Namco will really listen to you, even if you protest to not buy the game. There are many people who are disappointed that you can't use the GCN controller, but for the most part that's not a huge issue among fans. |
It's a sad state of affairs that most fans of something will forgive its faults (and this is a fault, make no mistake) just because they like a series/game/character/whatever. It's stupid. I love Final Fantasy 6. I love it. It is probably my favorite RPG. But I can still point out its flaws. I love Tales of Eternia, and I can still point out its flaws. I like some things about Abyss and dislike a great many others. I'll never understand blind fanboyism.
I know that Namco won't listen. Tales fans will still buy the game, because they're fans, and I know, from experience, that any attempt to rally devout fans into taking action (be it sending letters or boycotting a game) will result in poorly-reasoned rebuttals and senseless ridicule. But at least if *I* don't buy it, *I* don't have to waste money on extra peripherals or time in a game that doesn't give me control options in an era where most every game does. Tales games don't have enough consistently good storytelling or gameplay such that I'm going to miss much by reading what happens on the net and watching vids on YouTube.
| yaminokaitou wrote: | | Personally, I feel like it would be taking a step down for KoR to use the gamecube controller. I personally loved using the gamecube controller with ToS and was a little sad to have to switch controllers once I started playing Abyss and Legendia, but I got over it. The Wii is the same way for me. Different system, different controls. |
That's ridiculous. How is it a step down? Because it uses a certain controller? That's poor reasoning. And, as mentioned before, the GC controller is Wii equipment. That you got over it is irrelevant: if GC controllers were at least an option, a) you wouldn't have to "get over it," and b) people who like using the Wiimote CAN STILL DO SO.
| yaminokaitou wrote: | | I can't comment on the controls yet as I haven't played the game, but I really think that Namco wanted to focus on making this a Wii game, not just a sequel of ToS. Namco must have felt that a Wii game needs to use the Wii controller, not the previous controller. |
Also ridiculous. I have played the game, briefly at PAX. Motion controls are used outside of combat to aim the Sorcerer's Ring. That's it. They are not used AT ALL in combat. Nothing. Zip. If Namco truly felt that this is a game that needed to truly take advantage of the Wiimote's isms, they should have taken a good hard look at Super Mario Galaxy or even WarioWare Smooth Moves, as both games actually have a legitimate reason for Wiimote usage.
| yaminokaitou wrote: | | At any rate, I've played a vast number of games with the Wii remote controller and it really gets quite comfortable after a while. It's nice not having to trip over cords (I never got the wireless GCN controllers). |
Ridiculous hat trick (you'll excuse the venom, but it's deserved). Of course it gets comfortable. Almost ANY controller gets comfortable and familiar after repeated use. The Dreamcast controller is one of the worst game controllers I've ever used, and I can pull off complex Street Fighter motions on its D-Pad. And wires can be arranged in such a manner as to not be tripped over.
If I did buy Symphonia 2, another Wiimote, two more nunchuks, another battery pack all just to play this game, me and my two compatriots would adapt. Actually, given our extensive playtime on Super Mario Galaxy, I'm willing to bet we'll "adapt" in approximately five minutes. But we shouldn't have to adapt in the year 2008, where one expects a console with multiple controllers (and ports) will have games that take advantage of this. |
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feder
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Axelhander wrote: |
| yaminokaitou wrote: | I've heard plenty of reasons why people don't want the game, but this is a new one...
Really, I don't think that Namco will really listen to you, even if you protest to not buy the game. There are many people who are disappointed that you can't use the GCN controller, but for the most part that's not a huge issue among fans. |
It's a sad state of affairs that most fans of something will forgive its faults (and this is a fault, make no mistake) just because they like a series/game/character/whatever. It's stupid. I love Final Fantasy 6. I love it. It is probably my favorite RPG. But I can still point out its flaws. I love Tales of Eternia, and I can still point out its flaws. I like some things about Abyss and dislike a great many others. I'll never understand blind fanboyism.
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Hmm... I'm not saying that I completely forgive KoR's faults and don't point them out.
Don't just assume that since I'm sticking up for it that I'm a blind fanboy of this game who thinks it's perfect. I could point out at least five or more things wrong with the game just off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let KoR's faults get to me and let it ruin my experience with this game. Just as you did with FF6, I'm going to play KoR and (hopefully) enjoy it.
I also only have one nunchuk, so I can feel how it must be frustrating to feel that you need to buy another controller, but complaining about it to us isn't going to change anything. If you don't want to buy the game because of controller issues or whatever, then don't and leave it at that. |
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CobraGT
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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It is a shame that the 2nd and 3rd player cannot use the GC controller.
You have 2 months though to find used Nunchucks and a Wiimote. A good price may turn up this time. |
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Axelhander
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| yaminokaitou wrote: | Hmm... I'm not saying that I completely forgive KoR's faults and don't point them out.
Don't just assume that since I'm sticking up for it that I'm a blind fanboy of this game who thinks it's perfect. I could point out at least five or more things wrong with the game just off the top of my head, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let KoR's faults get to me and let it ruin my experience with this game. Just as you did with FF6, I'm going to play KoR and (hopefully) enjoy it. |
I never said you specifically were a blind fanboy. You said that it wouldn't be a big issue with fans and I added my two cents on the matter is all. If it helps, I myself have liked games--LOVE games even--that are bad, bad games. (Granstream Saga for PS1 comes to mind.)
| yaminokaitou wrote: | | I also only have one nunchuk, so I can feel how it must be frustrating to feel that you need to buy another controller, but complaining about it to us isn't going to change anything. If you don't want to buy the game because of controller issues or whatever, then don't and leave it at that. |
I posted here in the hopes that, this being a Namco site, they'd peruse the forums for feedback. I realize the odds of that are small but I am a firm believer in giving feedback and criticism in order to better a product. My intent is not to annoy. If you know of a better place to give Namco feedback I'm all ears.
| CobraGT wrote: | It is a shame that the 2nd and 3rd player cannot use the GC controller.
You have 2 months though to find used Nunchucks and a Wiimote. A good price may turn up this time. |
You know, if I could jump the grenade, so to speak, and control Emil with the Wiimote + nunchuk while my friends used GC controllers, I'd be all for that. I'd buy it. I wouldn't like that I was forced to use the Wiimote but I could take it since it'd be just me and nothing other than the game need be purchased.
I could find the nunchuks and Wiimote right now, or, in a pinch, I know several people who don't use their Wiis who would sell me theirs. I've pretty much decided not to buy the game at this point but my mind may change. /shrug |
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FireG
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | I think it's a good thing they don't give us the choice. It's a Wii, use the Wii equipment! |
This. |
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joeluke9
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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wow whats so bad about using a wiimote i mean eversince i got my wii i didnt use my gc controllers because its an wii so u think an gc controller is wii equipment? how come it doesnt say wii controller. its not a big deal u bought an wii use the wii stuff instead stead of going back to gc again
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Axelhander wrote: |
It's a sad state of affairs that most fans of something will forgive its faults |
Uh, I don't see how forgiving faults is a bad thing. If you forgive them, it means you acknowledge them, but don't let them ruin your fun.
And personnally, I prefer to see blind fanboyism than constant complains about little details. At least fanboys look happy. The complainers just seem to enjoy complicating their lives.
And yeah, what's so bad at using a wiimote? Did people complain that we couldn't use the N64 controllers on the Game Cube?
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Axelhander
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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This will be my last post here. I've got what I needed from this thread and it will quickly devolve into more mud slinging if I stay here trying to rationally defend my points. So I'm going to move on after this post.
| FireG wrote: | | Yume Hanabi wrote: | | I think it's a good thing they don't give us the choice. It's a Wii, use the Wii equipment! |
This. |
You obviously missed the many parts in this thread where I have blown this argument out of the water. I suggest you review the responses in this thread.
| joeluke9 wrote: | | wow whats so bad about using a wiimote i mean eversince i got my wii i didnt use my gc controllers because its an wii so u think an gc controller is wii equipment? how come it doesnt say wii controller. its not a big deal u bought an wii use the wii stuff instead stead of going back to gc again |
Go add up the price of Symphonia 2, 1 Wiimote, 2 nunchuks, and a GOOD battery pack, and get back to me.
Also, learn how to argue. Your GC controllers don't have to say anything. The Wii has ports for them and many Wii titles support their use. They can say Microsoft and have the 360 logo on them for all I care. They are Wii equipment, whether you care to acknowledge it or not.
| Yume Hanabi wrote: | | Axelhander wrote: |
It's a sad state of affairs that most fans of something will forgive its faults |
Uh, I don't see how forgiving faults is a bad thing. If you forgive them, it means you acknowledge them, but don't let them ruin your fun.
And personnally, I prefer to see blind fanboyism than constant complains about little details. At least fanboys look happy. The complainers just seem to enjoy complicating their lives.
And yeah, what's so bad at using a wiimote? Did people complain that we couldn't use the N64 controllers on the Game Cube? |
You have to be kidding me.
If you keep forgiving faults, game developers have little incentive to improve. Fewer games would have customizable controls, or voice-acting, or orchestral scores as opposed to synth. Complaints are feedback, and not all complaints are justified, but a good deal of them are. Including, for example, "I can't use GC controllers on a) a system that allows their use and b) a game where battles are the central focus of the game that don't use Wiimote functionality and could've easily been done with GC controllers."
You may prefer fanboyism. Fine. Whenever a police officer gives me a ticket for a traffic violation I didn't commit, if I had your perspective on things, instead of fighting it I should just "forgive the fault" and pay the ticket. Get out of here with that nonsense.
Your N64 controller argument is moot. There were no N64 ports on the GC. If their were, your argument would hold water. |
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FireG
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| Axelhander wrote: | | FireG wrote: | | Yume Hanabi wrote: | | I think it's a good thing they don't give us the choice. It's a Wii, use the Wii equipment! |
This. |
You obviously missed the many parts in this thread where I have blown this argument out of the water. I suggest you review the responses in this thread. |
It won't kill you to use the wiimote. You probably play with the GC controller for all your Wii games anyway. The only time I ever use the GC controller is for Virtual Console games. |
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senel.coolidge
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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This is simple.
Tell your friends to buy a **** wii.
That ends this conflict.
(i hope) |
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Yume Hanabi
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Axelhander wrote: |
If you keep forgiving faults, game developers have little incentive to improve. Fewer games would have customizable controls, or voice-acting, or orchestral scores as opposed to synth. Complaints are feedback, and not all complaints are justified, but a good deal of them are. Including, for example, "I can't use GC controllers on a) a system that allows their use and b) a game where battles are the central focus of the game that don't use Wiimote functionality and could've easily been done with GC controllers." |
Well then, ok, if you feel it can change anything, complain all you want, to the developpers. But I don't think doing it here will have any effect whatsoever.
What's the fuss about the controllers anyway? 
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