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| Ten Avalanche wrote: | But, (this is Focus btw) you had said yourself "you can leave, but you will always come back" ...or something like that. Which kind of doesn't help this.
No offense, but it does seem like you are trying to get yourself unbanned more than you aren't.
I don't know about you, but several times when I said that I wasn't going to do something anymore, I ended up doing it again.
Hmm, I feel like I'm just stating the obvious here, though :/ |
It would be nice to post on my old name again honestly, even though this is perfectly adequate to get messages through to old friends that I don't know anywhere else.
Doesn't really matter to me though, the whole internet is dying and I would just as soon be able to leave this place with my name clear in case I ever did want to come back.
My point with all this is there are banned members who aren't really bad or deserving a permanent ban, but were flamebaited by other members and probably would be better if given a second chance. |
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Ten Avalanche
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Even though that they might have been flamebaited, some of them take things waaaay too seriously and can't tell the difference between an opinion and a flame.
Something like "Simple plan sucks" is an opinion, even though its not the nicest way to state an opinion (though it is somewhat true). Someone would then reply with "WTF THEY DO NOT SUCK YOU BASTARD.", which would be a flame...
Then, this type of thing could lead to this member going over to their "enemy's" topic, and posting blatant spam or say "lol I'd like that to happen to you"
I felt like I was this kind of member, which is why I am posting that. But I guess I'm just assuming other people's feelings.
As for second chances, they should be accepted and at least considered, but not on the internet, or something with a setup like it. You never know when someone could just revert back to their old self, or just be lying in order to get what they want.
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Ruilus
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: |
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Regardless of any amount of flamebaiting, the decision to post is always still entirely yours, am I wrong? If you've not the self-control to hold yourself in check on a forum, you got some big problems waiting to happen in RL, champ. Take responsibility and take your leave.
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ladynadiad
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Ruilus wrote: | | Regardless of any amount of flamebaiting, the decision to post is always still entirely yours, am I wrong? If you've not the self-control to hold yourself in check on a forum, you got some big problems waiting to happen in RL, champ. Take responsibility and take your leave. |
I agree, I have a horrible temper, but I know when I just walk away for a time in real life or here. And it's way easier to do on a forum.
And I agree, why hasn't FireG been banned yet? Considering what name he called me in one thread, and that is 8-15 points if you don't count that it was a censored swear word I was called, that could have been a ban right then and there.
Just put the rest of us out of our misery already at having to put up with that. It's getting to the point that people are starting to purposely flamebait him just so he will react and get banned.
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Ryuuko
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| RP master wrote: | | Ryuuko wrote: | | Ruilus wrote: | | Hoo hoo, you've not even 100 posts yet and you bring up something like this? Stealth is a lost art. |
It's RoL's alt. >_>
As for the actual topic, the point of being banned is that you can't come back. Giving you 6 months or whatever probably won't change you much, so it seems useless to let them back after time. You have to be pretty bad to get banned from here anyway. >_> |
So then if you all know it is me, why am I not banned again like all the other alts. I'm surprised this account still exists even, this was an old alt used bother Cyke a long time ago.
Honestly though, I know a bunch of people in addition to myself that were flame-baited into getting banned, that really other than one or two incidents had done nothing wrong to deserve a permanent ban.
That is the whole point of the 'probation' interval, people with an abrasive personality or are disagreeable in their postings will usually commit some form of infraction or cause trouble in some way during the interval and get banned again, while people who just plain stepped in a trap at a bad time can get a second chance at being good. |
Hmm, I thought either Kad or Lunar took care of it. But anyway, I was on vacation when you got banned, so I don't know the whole story (or what even happened, all I heard was that you got banned.) It's damn near impossible to go from a low number of points to a permanent ban in a span on 10 days (except for maybe violent threats to another member) You're talking about a second chance for the good people, but, you obviously weren't all that good if you had enough points to have 1 event have you banned. It looks like you're trying to play the martyr in all of this by saying you did nothing wrong, when you obviously must have. Now, granted, I don't know the story, so I'm not even sure if any of this is valid. >_>
@lady: You need to make sure you alert a mod if someone calls you a really bad swear name. It's hard for us to see everything. =/ Unless a mod did see it, in which case, he was probably given points...
As for the whole point debate, I honestly agree that we are too lenient. I actually can't even remember the last time I've given anyone points. =X
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Mr Blobby
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| General Discussion wrote: | | I was supposed to have a temp ban a while back, but apparently they forgot...or something. Recently I was told that my points have gone down since then, at zero to be exact, though a few points may have been added. |
I'd honestly say - from an impartial standpoint - that your behaviour of late has descended into the consistently unacceptable and even simply trolling, so I am curious as to how that happened. Oh well.
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Hmm, I thought either Kad or Lunar took care of it. But anyway, I was on vacation when you got banned, so I don't know the whole story (or what even happened, all I heard was that you got banned.) It's damn near impossible to go from a low number of points to a permanent ban in a span on 10 days (except for maybe violent threats to another member) You're talking about a second chance for the good people, but, you obviously weren't all that good if you had enough points to have 1 event have you banned. It looks like you're trying to play the martyr in all of this by saying you did nothing wrong, when you obviously must have. Now, granted, I don't know the story, so I'm not even sure if any of this is valid. >_> |
Well, as I understand it, he wasn't actually banned as a result of accumulating points; he was instantly banned because he posted a hidden link to the meatspin shock site in an attempt to trick people into visiting. One could attribute it to a bout of temporary insanity, I suppose, but I think the general consensus was that behaviour like that warranted an instant ban, particularly considering that did it because he felt safe in the belief that he wouldn't be banned for it, because he didn't have many points. |
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Lunar Eclipse
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I don't understand how posting a porn link constitutes "stepping into a trap". That was something premeditated that you knew was against the rules while you were doing it, and it's many, many times worse than simply responding angrily to someone who annoys you since that can just tend to slip out if you're typing whilst you're in a bad mood. But the type of person who would go and look up meatspin, embed the link into their post, and apparently derive pleasure from other people clicking on it is incredibly immature and doesn't belong here any more than a person who spams pornography all over the boards.
I also find it incredibly ironic that you speak of flamebaiting when this RP_master account was apparently created just to bother Cyke.
| ladynadiad wrote: | | Just put the rest of us out of our misery already at having to put up with that. It's getting to the point that people are starting to purposely flamebait him just so he will react and get banned. |
This isn't the purpose of this topic, but I'll address it anyway. You need to stop purposely flamebaiting him. I had an in-depth discussion with him after the temp ban, so please just wait and see if his behavior is better. I don't appreciate it when people jump right back on a member after their temporary ban without allowing them to show whether or not they've decided to improve their behavior. If it continues, I'll of course have no problem taking the appropriate action, but it'd be to your advantage to just let it happen naturally. The more I see flamebaiting, the less I'm inclined to ban the person being baited.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | I also find it incredibly ironic that you speak of flamebaiting when this RP_master account was apparently created just to bother Cyke. |
Oh, snap.
And because RoL isn't a member, can I flame him until I get tired without points?
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Lunar Eclipse
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| *v* wrote: | | And because RoL isn't a member, can I flame him until I get tired without points? |
Let's not do that, please. ^.^;
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You never let us have any fun, dad.
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Capt. Velocity
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| SNIGGERING STEAK wrote: | | I'd honestly say - from an impartial standpoint - that your behaviour of late has descended into the consistently unacceptable and even simply trolling, so I am curious as to how that happened. Oh well. |
I don't really see how I'm trolling, it's not like most of the posts I make are done with the intent of provoking others.
| Lunar Eclipse wrote: | | That's not what happened with General Discussion, and as far as I know, that's never happened. He just never had anywhere near 20 and apparently misunderstood what someone said to him. We do tend to stop at 20 and temp ban regardless of whether or not they'd immediately go up 30 since it's not really fair to permanently ban someone without the temp ban warning we've guaranteed everyone, but aside from that, we don't hold back on points once we've decided we're going to give them out. The only real argument that I think is valid is that we don't give them out often enough, not that we tally in an improper manner once we decide to award points. |
I got fifteen points from one post I think over a year ago. I used three swear words that weren't caught be the filter. I was shown the actual record of it in a PM from a mod. I could even prove it since I still have the PM.
@Ten Avalance: I still consider posting "this band sucks" an insult more than an opinion. "I don't like this band because of this, this, and this," would be fine, but outright bashing shouldn't be. If telling someone off for slamming a band is bad, so is insulting a band non-constructively.
And why should a person have to ignore everything? Why should they have to just take it? Retaliating when provoked is different than insulting people for the hell of it. I'm not saying it's perfectly fine, but it should be treated differently.
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Ten Avalanche
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| General Discussion wrote: | | SNIGGERING STEAK wrote: | | I'd honestly say - from an impartial standpoint - that your behaviour of late has descended into the consistently unacceptable and even simply trolling, so I am curious as to how that happened. Oh well. |
I don't really see how I'm trolling, it's not like most of the posts I make are done with the intent of provoking others. |
I believe it would be considered flame bait at that point.
| General Discussion wrote: | | I got fifteen points from one post I think over a year ago. I used three swear words that weren't caught be the filter. I was shown the actual record of it in a PM from a mod. I could even prove it since I still have the PM. |
I don't really think you need to prove it to us... its not that relevant at this point, and by saying something like that, it would seem easily believable.
| General Discussion wrote: | | @Ten Avalance: I still consider posting "this band sucks" an insult more than an opinion. "I don't like this band because of this, this, and this," would be fine, but outright bashing shouldn't be. If telling someone off for slamming a band is bad, so is insulting a band non-constructively. |
If they aren't hurting anything, don't bother. Everyone has likes and dislikes, and some people have harsh opinions.
| General Discussion wrote: | | And why should a person have to ignore everything? Why should they have to just take it? Retaliating when provoked is different than insulting people for the hell of it. I'm not saying it's perfectly fine, but it should be treated differently. |
You don't have to ignore everything. You don't have to "just take it". You could try solving the problem, maybe by discussing it. You ignore the insults, and you don't let them affect you.
Anyway, I think this topic has gone on for long enough, RoL has probably been banned again by now, and I don't think that there is really much else to discuss on this banning thing...
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| General Discussion wrote: | | SNIGGERING STEAK wrote: | | I'd honestly say - from an impartial standpoint - that your behaviour of late has descended into the consistently unacceptable and even simply trolling, so I am curious as to how that happened. Oh well. |
I don't really see how I'm trolling, it's not like most of the posts I make are done with the intent of provoking others. |
Well, let's see how acceptable your posts have been under the Tales forum rules in general:
| General Discussion wrote: | | How about you just **** off? |
(Trolling, flaming, take your pick. It's certainly unacceptable)
| General Discussion wrote: | Damnit, quit posting **** like this already!  |
(this being the entire post, in a thread in which nobody else was offended. How is that not intended to provoke anyone?)
| Quote: | I am not a prude, you **** assholes! Don't ****ing calling me that! Mad I'm not like those stupid ****ers that think it's bad to wear a swimsuit that doesn't cover much! I use **** swear words on occassion. (like right ****ing now) Hell I use damnit all the ****ing time. And I don't give a **** if someone wears revealing clothing! I've even played some violent videogames, damnit! Mad
I'm just not personally comfortable with sex or the idea of being a father! If I were a proud I would be saying that there's something wrong with consuming alcohol on occasion and say that all violent videogames should be banned, among other retarded bull****. So, you think this post prudish, ya ****? I don't think prudes curse even with censor! To put it in simpler terms: just go **** yourselves! Mad |
| General Discussion wrote: | | People who dare to quite reasonably state opinions different to his wrote: | | Opinions differing from Capt's |
You see, it's this sort of crap that gets very annoying, very quickly. |
This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure I can find more if you like. |
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Lunar Eclipse
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| General Discussion wrote: | | I got fifteen points from one post I think over a year ago. I used three swear words that weren't caught be the filter. I was shown the actual record of it in a PM from a mod. I could even prove it since I still have the PM. |
I don't disbelieve you, but like you said, it's been over a year, so you should've expected at least 12 of the points to be gone.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Any particular reason why... |
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| RP master wrote: | | Why banned members can't be allowed to return after several months? I've seen this on a lot of boards, after a member has been banned for 6 months they can request to be unbanned. Then they get a roughly month-long probation period where any offenses result in them being instantly banned again for the next 6 months. |
So because someone has been a good boy in the showers concerning the soap, we should let him out of prison after a year despite the fact he massacred 3 people.
| RP master wrote: | | If they succeed in proving that they've reformed though, then they are returned to the normal rule set and banning requirements |
So basically you want permanent bans to be turned into temporary bans, thus pissing on the time period for which the name clearly states.
| MasterT wrote: | | You can't go from temp ban to 0 in that amount of time. |
You can if a few Washington's were used.
| SNIGGERING STEAK wrote: | | I'd honestly say - from an impartial standpoint - that your behaviour of late has descended into the consistently unacceptable and even simply trolling, so I am curious as to how that happened. Oh well. |
Surely not to the same standards of Abicions' "I've been good for a year and it hasn't made me a mod, I'll act like a bell end"?
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