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 Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: Asch vs. Nebilim?! (spoilers!) |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IfUYevxml0
at first I thought he cheated and got the Unicorn Horn with it, but then something he said got my attention.
"I didn't cheat.
I got Asch before entering レムの塔. After 魔杖ケイオスハート event, I can use Mieu again.
Sorry, my English is too broken to explain it well in English."
レムの塔 means Tower of Rem.
魔杖ケイオスハート means Demon Staff Chaos Heart.
correct me if I am wrong, i don't know japanese. I can only go so far reading chinese.
It means he got Asch with map trick before Tower of Rem (after he joins you the manor to avoid a crash). Then he cleared Absorb Gate 2, he must have been far enough in the Nebilim event to see Florian and got the Chaos Heart.
anyone please confirm this for me. I would try in my english version, seeing that Namco left the map trick in, I don't see why this wouldn't ork. Unless he is a liar.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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well... when you return from tower of rem(part 2) everyone leaves Luke, meiu inculed. With Asch the event doesn't change so... Meiu rejoins you...
Perhaps that may register the mushroom road event status over(during the event your party counts as 'Incomplete' and I think that status remains until the party is together again) Whent the group leaves Luke the party also is incolmpeat but they rejoin him after he gets to the inn. Perhaps you could enter the colosium with Asch after words...
If I can get Luke's Combo Plus 4 ability before the second visit to the Tower of Rem I'll try it out. Currently I'm before the fight with Sync on the Tartarus and Luke has +163 for ATK and +100 for Agility(YAY TUTTI, sadly it's on jade now). Now he has some ATK +3 C. core so it shouldn't be too hard...(Just...13 levels, yeah it sould work)
If Asch can enter the arena then I'd get him every playthrough, Luke would decorate the floor until I pick him up then Tutti+herbs to make up for his horrid weapon & armor.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: |
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you can't go to the arena with Asch regardless anyways.
ok, eh, let me see if I got this right:
- Get Asch before Tower of Rem.
- Clear Tower of Rem, you go to Daath. The party splits.
- You get Mieu?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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well, i may just try this out. I wonder if it works in the US version.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| Clear wrote: | you can't go to the arena with Asch regardless anyways.
ok, eh, let me see if I got this right:
- Get Asch before Tower of Rem.
- Clear Tower of Rem, you go to Daath. The party splits.
- You get Mieu? |
Thats what I think anyways.
1. When you go into Mushroom Road the game puts up a flag that the party is incompleat and meiu is unusable
2. When you get to the the event where Luke sees the Doctor in Belkend the same flags are put up but, they're already up so nothing changes, also the arena is unusable with those flags put up but...
3. When you return to the inn the game says to put the flags down. Meiu is usable again and in theory...so is the arena and sidequests. Even if you have Asch.
Sadly due to my limited gaming time it's gonna take atleast 3 days to get that far again, then a day of leveling up to get Luke Combo Plus 4(about 2 hours a day, plus I need to get some FSC's leveled up w/ Luke, then I'll start on Asch, I need Fonic Arte AD Skills with him anyways...)
| Majutsuko wrote: | | Now this is interesting...I'm not far from that point either...hmmm... |
I you mean Sync then you skill have a couple hours but, if you mean Tower of Rem part 2 please TEST IT!
You can't go take any stops between the event on top and the doctor event so you'll have to do it immetitly after the stop at Daath.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| ChosenOfMana7 wrote: | 2. When you get to the the event where Luke sees the Doctor in Belkend the same flags are put up but, they're already up so nothing changes, also the arena is unusable with those flags put up but...
3. When you return to the inn the game says to put the flags down. Meiu is usable again and in theory...so is the arena and sidequests. Even if you have Asch. |
Theoretically, you're right, all the right flags would be set accordingly to allow everything to proceed as though you have a complete party with Luke. However, I have a feeling that the arena may still be unusable for Asch despite all that, since I don't know if how things will work when it comes to the part where he needs to speak before the battles at the arena commence (i.e. whose graphic sprite will show up for him---if anyone at all...so it might freeze/hang).
| ChosenOfMana7 wrote: | | Majutsuko wrote: | | Now this is interesting...I'm not far from that point either...hmmm... |
I you mean Sync then you skill have a couple hours but, if you mean Tower of Rem part 2 please TEST IT!
You can't go take any stops between the event on top and the doctor event so you'll have to do it immetitly after the stop at Daath. |
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm currently at Feres Island, but I should manage to get through all that tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| Majutsuko wrote: | | ChosenOfMana7 wrote: | 2. When you get to the the event where Luke sees the Doctor in Belkend the same flags are put up but, they're already up so nothing changes, also the arena is unusable with those flags put up but...
3. When you return to the inn the game says to put the flags down. Meiu is usable again and in theory...so is the arena and sidequests. Even if you have Asch. |
Theoretically, you're right, all the right flags would be set accordingly to allow everything to proceed as though you have a complete party with Luke. However, I have a feeling that the arena may still be unusable for Asch despite all that, since I don't know if how things will work when it comes to the part where he needs to speak before the battles at the arena commence (i.e. whose graphic sprite will show up for him---if anyone at all...so it might freeze/hang). |
Ah, u have a point there but, mayb he'll just be replaced by Luke for the scene, I think the arena IS a 'cutscene', but if you eneter with anyone but Asch you'll probibly get Luke back in the party(because the game place him in the party after someone compeats...
This is way too complicated...
| Majutsuko wrote: | | ChosenOfMana7 wrote: | | Majutsuko wrote: | | Now this is interesting...I'm not far from that point either...hmmm... |
I you mean Sync then you skill have a couple hours but, if you mean Tower of Rem part 2 please TEST IT!
You can't go take any stops between the event on top and the doctor event so you'll have to do it immetitly after the stop at Daath. |
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm currently at Feres Island, but I should manage to get through all that tomorrow. I'll keep you posted. |
k thx!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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There's another strange thing in this video...
If he is using Combo experience from the grade shop (he got only 1 exp), how he get to level 200? He should have to make super combos in all battles! It is possible or human to make such level with combo experience?
...I think he cheated.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Mutenroushi wrote: | There's another strange thing in this video...
If he is using Combo experience from the grade shop (he got only 1 exp), how he get to level 200? He should have to make super combos in all battles! It is possible or human to make such level with combo experience?
...I think he cheated. |
Why? It wouldn't be difficult to manage at all...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Mutenroushi wrote: | There's another strange thing in this video...
If he is using Combo experience from the grade shop (he got only 1 exp), how he get to level 200? He should have to make super combos in all battles! It is possible or human to make such level with combo experience?
...I think he cheated. |
well its pretty hard but not impossible...you'll problably have to train alot or be crazy at doing combos =P
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it sounds like something only combo maniacs would have the patience to do....
And sounds pointless too, the combo experience is not a thing made to challenge the game with low levels? What is the point in getting the Max level with it?
If he didn't cheat, he is crazy....
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| Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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There are ways to get high combos easily... >_>
IMO, Combo EXP is about 5x EXP after you get a few good-hitting techs... |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Alright, I've just discovered a funky glitch that can potentially give Asch mass C-Core bonuses depending on which one he has equipped (from the Mushroom Road quest) when he joins you in Baticul later (when you're supposed to have Luke in the same party with him). I won't give details on this yet, since I don't know for sure if there is a way to keep these bonuses. So right now I'll be doing some testing to figure a few things out to determine when's the best time to recruit Asch for good---while still getting Mieu---and hopefully keeping any of Asch's C-Core bonuses despite Luke's affective level.
By the way, following Asch's leave from Baticul (before the Tower of Rem), I was down to a party of Guy, Jade, Tear Natalia and Anise...and Mieu! Unfortunately though, I was still not allowed into the arena.
In any case, I'm almost certain Mieu can be obtained even with Asch in the party now. Well, I'll see for myself before long. Stay tuned.
EDIT: CONFIRMED!! It does work!! I have Mieu and Asch!!! Alright, so as long as Asch is recruited from Mushroom Road AFTER Asch joins in Baticul (for like two minutes), yet BEFORE the 2nd visit to the Tower of Rem, you'll keep Asch, and you'll get Mieu again later when you go to Baticul Castle once you have the Jewel of Lorelei.
It's interesting actually...Asch can be the on-screen character and still use Mieu without any glitches/crashes. Although, he makes absolutely no gestures with him; for instance, Asch just floats upwards without hanging onto Mieu when using the Mieu Wing.
There you have it, the Nebilim sidequest CAN be completed with Asch. Unfortunately though, the arena is still sealed off with Asch in the group. Now if only someone could hack a CB/GS code for all 7 characters to be in the party at once...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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whenever Asch leaves the party, he gives back all C. Cores, and their bonuses reset to 0. Nice try.
I'll try this right after Tower of Rem, then it is off in the new game with 10x EXP, leaving Luke dead at Lv 2. And all the way until the Tower of Rem.
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